For the 1st 2/3 rds of the movie I thought it was ok, nothing great but somewhat reasonable. But then the Beastie Boys playing from the star ship to defeat them was a SERIOUS face palm. Nothing wrong with the Beastie Boys but OMG was that a stupid twist that just led me to hate the rest of the movie. That was completely stupid and ruined the movie for me. The latter part of the movie was awful and this scene kicked off the crappyness.
sharePersonally, I think they should have gone with The Indian Love Song.
shareDidn't kill it for me, but was without doubt the weakest and most stupid part of the movie.
shareTo each their own. I *loved* that scene, saw it at the movies a second time pretty much entirely for that (I like the rest of the movie, but that scene stuck with me).
shareI was sitting in the cinema. I saw this coming about a minute before it actually played out and started laughing.
It was, without a doubt, the most stupid "kill the Aliens with a trick" scene in the history of cinema. From this moment forward nobody may ever complain about the computer virus in "independence day" again.
Generally I was very underwhelmed by this movie. The plot felt thin and was riddled with holes. It seemed they were more interested in getting from one action sequence to the next. And that Beastie Boys scene was the last straw. They could literally have stopped the movie at that point and cut in a scene of the director and writing team appearing on screen and stating that they did not take anything about this movie seriously and it would not have been any clearer.
It was, without a doubt, the most stupid "kill the Aliens with a trick" scene in the history of cinema. From this moment forward nobody may ever complain about the computer virus in "independence day" again.
Generally I was very underwhelmed by this movie. The plot felt thin and was riddled with holes. It seemed they were more interested in getting from one action sequence to the next. And that Beastie Boys scene was the last straw. They could literally have stopped the movie at that point and cut in a scene of the director and writing team appearing on screen and stating that they did not take anything about this movie seriously and it would not have been any clearer.
It was, without a doubt, the most stupid "kill the Aliens with a trick" scene in the history of cinema. From this moment forward nobody may ever complain about the computer virus in "independence day" again.
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Would you be able to concentrate with that blasting through your speakers while having to fly in a very tight formation in an attack? And broadcasting on the frequency they were using for their computers to maintain all of that is just scrambling the signal, something that has been done for years to interrupt military radios and their abilities to coordinate attacks. So what's the problem? They came up with one of the least contrived methods ever to solve a crisis. And if you consider the fact it's far from the first time Trek has made jokes showing their views of our present are distorted by then (like ours are of our past), and that their tastes are not what our mainstream tastes would be, it's actually a reasonable scene. Frankly, I'm just glad they haven't started to resort to making some new modification to the deflector dish (or weapons systems, or any other over contrived use of their basic systems) to solve everything already.
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Would you be able to concentrate with that blasting through your speakers while having to fly in a very tight formation in an attack? And broadcasting on the frequency they were using for their computers to maintain all of that is just scrambling the signal, something that has been done for years to interrupt military radios and their abilities to coordinate attacks. So what's the problem?You've just given the problem in your two preceding sentences here...
I don't see how these are problems? We discussed this already in another thread. There was no need to play the music on the bridge but it was included for dramatic effect.
Unfortunately, as you mentioned in your thread, this part has confused so many people that I am starting to wonder if the writers were confused too!
I actually like the scene because of Spock's improvised hijack of their collision avoidance. I think you can appreciate this better once you understand swarm dynamics.
Of course it was ridiculously OTT but this was par the norm for this film!
Yeah, I know we discussed on the other thread - and yes, as I said there as well, I did find it enjoyable, as a spectacle, whilst watching. I was only really replying in order to point out the misunderstanding in brch2's post in terms of a "least contrived method"...
I am starting to wonder if the writers were confused too!It's funny you said that - either yes they were, or (and no one on my thread actually discussed this, but it was my original thought) it was a deliberate, subtle, joke at the expense at those complaining the reboots weren't "cerebral" / Star Trek-ish enough.
I think you can appreciate this better once you understand swarm dynamics.Ha - It's not that I don't understand your take on it, its just that I preferred to think of another method being used for collision avoidance (I don't know - proximity sensors of some other kind - maybe cameras / "artificial eye") rather than thousands of overlapping communication transmissions, which would just make the Franklin's one additional transmission completely redundant.
It's funny you said that - either yes they were, or (and no one on my thread actually discussed this, but it was my original thought) it was a deliberate, subtle, joke at the expense at those complaining the reboots weren't "cerebral" / Star Trek-ish enoughThis would make for an interesting interview question! Indeed, that whole scene would... share
It…works for me. But I can get others finding it too much.
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Agree...an d calling it classical music? dumb dumb dumb.
if you played the scene on its own, it would have made a nice music video maybe.
but it was beyond dumb and stupid to interject it into a star trek film and use it to save all mankind. they had been setting it up the whole flick though when they showed the alien girl listening to it in the ship she found or whatever
Why's the classical music bit dumb?
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Cause classical music will always be classical music. Beastie boys will never be called classical music no matter how far in the future one goes. In 200 years why would the works of Bach and Mozart have become lost and teplaced with something that doesn't even resemble classical on any form? It's been 200 years or more now and classical is still classical. We don't call music from the 20s classical now and never will. Why would we in a mere 200 years more?
shareA paragraph of sheer unadulterated pretentious snot. Classic music is dated music from a bygone era.
shareNo it's not. Your just using a literal definition. Classical is a genre that transcends it's literal meaning. Beastie boys 200 years from now will be defined by an era. Like music from the 20s or 50s or 80s has. Or the 70s. All bygone eras, but they're not defined as classical.
shareThe specific definition of classical music is from the 1750-1830s emerging from the Renaissance era. There are college courses specifically for this genre of music and period in world history.
I doubt the teachings at starfleet academy would change standard education of periods in history just because another genre of music is old. (Beastie boys being rap)
Bar fights, motorcycles..rap music this is a far departure from star trek TV series at least.
Maybe I've become accustomed to Picard/Janeway portrayals of strict protocols aboard a starship. These films are decent in their own unique way. Just not what I've come to expect after watching DS9, TNG & voyager.
What was called Rock n' Roll in the '80s and before is already called Classic Rock. We don't know what they'll call any ere/genre of music until we get there.
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Classic rock and classical are not the same thing.
Classical refers to music made with the instruments before electricity. Violin. Cello. Piano. Flutes. Etcc. ... Classical.
Wasn't he requested classical music for him to play instead of declaring that it was?
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The reference to it as classical reminded me of the "Ah, the `Giants'" scene in Star Trek IV. It was clearly a joke about what things from the past filtered through to their present time after the turmoils in between those time eras, such as the world war the predated First Contact.
As that great philosopher Bugs Bunny said, "Something tells me I shoulda stood in bed."
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shareWhat part of "It was clearly a joke" didn't you get?
As that great philosopher Bugs Bunny said, "Something tells me I shoulda stood in bed."
the beastie boys can't even exist in the star trek universe. They literally reference star trek in their lyrics. So the beastie boys are from a world where star trek was a tv show from the 60's that they watched as reruns in the 70's. Are they now saying that star trek is now our future? even during TNG they still persisted in the canon of the eugenics wars of the 1990's, and ill communication came out in 1994, right in the middle of the eugenics wars. khan was in the second kelvin timeline movie, so obviously they haven't abandoned that as canonical. this just shows poor knowledge of trek lore, poor knowledge of an audience, and not taking your material seriously enough. maybe the next one can have william shatner come back as tj hooker and he can ride on the hood of the enterprise with heather locklear. and it can be a big wink at the audience like, get it?
Another joke, with reference to the "classical music" quote, is if we know look back just two films to ST09:-
When Kirk is zooming along in the "borrowed" Corvette, blasting out The Beastie Boys, I originally assumed we were to view that as showing young James Tiberius Kirk as being quite the rebel. Now, however, we are told that he was actually driving the three hundred year old vehicle listening to what was considered "classical" music.
We should therefore perhaps be viewing that scene as more akin to watching young Kirk teetering atop a penny-farthing, enjoying the sounds of Beethoven's mass in c major, or suchlike, emanating from a nearby gramaphone!
Not so rebellious now...
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no she was listening to some other track earlier on, wasn't Sabotage
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