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Sooo Kerry sacrificed herself for no reason?


Abbies appear to be alive and well.

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She pretty clearly had a death wish by then. If it wasn't death by becoming abbie chow it would have been something else.

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Theo really manipulated Kerry, and he apparently hated her guts.

A. He persuaded her that Jason was going to leave her behind for being sterile. He encouraged her to kill Jason, which she did.

B. Kerry seemed to have a crush on Theo, and he used her.

C. Theo made sure that she knew Jason was her son. Why? Because Theo wanted to hurt her, and bring her down. Theo really is not a nice guy. By shaming Kerry, she decided to give up on her life.

D. It is not as if Kerry had chosen Jason. Jason was the one that picked her, and brought her out of Cryo so he could screw her and make her his wife. She did not even have a choice in the matter. She was a victim of circumstances.

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I agree 100%! Kerry really got screwed, and a bad deal all the way around. Obviously the reason she even ended up there was hoping for a second chance, and due to no fault of hers, was manipulated and used again. A victim of circumstances and almost as if poor Kerry was doomed, and odds stacked against her.

As you said, Theo really manipulated Kerry, setting her dark fate in motion intentionally. He was so bitter about being there, and his idea of how to handle the shortage of pods with a lottery was ludicrous, and yet he criticized Jason, who for all his faults, was just trying to live up to Pilcher's expectations the best he could, and was thrown into this situation just like Theo. It's also implied that Theo didn't do everything he could to save Jason, which is pretty despicable for a doctor. He was going for being a complete dick, but partially redeemed himself by picking up Xander & Frank at the last minute.

Even though Theo had planned to inject himself with the viruses, it didn't seem to faze him that Kerry was sacrificing herself instead, nor do I believe he accepted any responsibility for helping goad her into a state of mind to do it. Nice guy, not only did Theo manipulate her into confronting and ultimately killing Jason, but then basically rubbed it in afterward that oh yea, by the way, that was your son you killed and have been sleeping with for months! If the show gets a third season, Theo does not deserve to be any kind of leader.

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According to the intern, it was pretty clear that Theo let Jason die. I was surprised that once the first group had been picked up (the only group), and Theo was alone with the intern, that he did not slice him open.

But I guess they want to give Theo someone to blackmail him, and perhaps show that Theo is not as evil as Jason. He slightly redeemed himself by picking up X/F and the secretary lady (she guilted him good...!).

I agree with you, Theo is not leadership material, and the writers did a nice job of showing how a little power turned Theo from hero to heel!

I get the feeling, if there is a S3, Xander will eventually take out Theo, as Theo becomes more vicious by getting the survivors to appoint him leader. Xander is no prize either, but then I guess the whole moral of this series is that most people suck, and the rest of them are the victims.

and the Abbies inherit the earth!

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Standby Mr. Franks.
The premise was Theo wanted to DESTROY the power structure--all of it. Kerry was #2. And culpable.
She also injected herself without his knowledge , suggestion or direction. She did so from guilt tripped by the taped msg. Theo made which NOBODY was to know--his total selfless sacrifice.
So slow down on the Theo bashing--everyone, this whole mini civilization was not much better than Nazi 1939 Germany.

As to the next outcome, they had insufficient time to study the Abby's. Clearly there were some evolutionary +'s they had going for them--which were poo-poo'd by the Pilcher gang as being animals and nothing more.

As to power--yeah if you lead you have power and use it. There will be no perfection in Wayward, the whole premise was faulty to start with.
And the Abby's have nothing to lose.

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^ This.

Most didn't ask to be there and were all manipulated one way or another. The issue was the power structure which was a malignant growth within the town's body, with Pilcher & cronies at the core. If they're all stuck there and ultimately the goal is survival then that malignancy had to be removed if the town was to have any chance. Pam removed Pilcher, Jason removed her, and Margaret removed Megan. Jason and Kerry were the last portion. Theo knew Jason had to go and while he may have had contempt for Kerry's complacency, it was Jason he felt needed to be removed. The remaining bit was the abbies and he was willing to sacrifice himself to eradicate as many as he could. The town was out of time and he didn't have a lot of options and Kerry was the quickest route to Jason. Kerry chose to die, he didn't trick her into doing it.

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Theo turned out to be really disappointing. He was just mean for whatever reason and Kerry really did become a tragic character in the end through no real fault of her own. He even rubbed it in telling her a spot just opened up after Jason died.. and of course he let her think that she was the the only one guilty of his death. I guess if you get shot in wayward pines make sure the doctor doesn't hate your guts, literally.

And why did Theo just automatically become the new leader?? It's like Jason's dead.. Theo we're going to listen to you now, we're all gathered here in front of the hospital, here are all the files, you make the selections.. gahhhh! Just weird.. 😲.

It seems the only one who really cared about Kerry (besides Jason) was CJ who had that amazing talk with her and said it exactly like it was trying to give her hope.. but by that point she was too hurt and damaged to go on i guess. Sometimes you just get tired of it all.

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Yes, well, things were pretty crazy on the show anyhow, with Jason shooting them w/out mercy as well and treating them like animals - as Pilcher had. Humans can be taught to hate, yet we are free to make our own choices and utilize our reasoning/conscience. Jason was an impatient person who lacked empathy to quite a degree. They showed you this in season 1 as well.

These humans are not exactly easy to sympathize with either way. Kerry, as well, trying to kill the other Abbies when it is clearly murder against another creature. At that point, it had been well established, these creatures had a purpose/design and compassion for their own kind. Both sides seemed to violently go at it with each other. Why should we feel any more for these humans when the individuals you bring up are poor models of them?

Did they not execute their own without "being phased?" Please, Kerry was angel of death herself. And saving Jason would have kept up the charades of poor decision making that was directly responsible for their situation and/or demise. Nobody benefits from his survival. This is end of the race type situations, I'm not surprised a doctor took moral compunction and didn't care what anybody thought about it. Then YOU be a doctor. Save him, but you don't get to say he's not human enough in that situation, yet sympathize with anyone else here..

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The real sad part of everything how Theo did not feel any remorse he just wanted to hurt Kerry for no real reason just as you stated in C. that sh!t was so fu@ked up so morbid of him and that he made sure she sacrifices herself Imagine if that did not work what then?)


Kerry was taken advantage since the beginning by Dr. Jenkins she really has suffered a lot. Let's see what will happen in season 3 since there is talks for a third season maybe not all survived in the cryo or ike first seasons they will kill them off in the next season. I just don't get Arlene Moran's character is all about and why she was the only one kept from first season and turned into a talking veggie.

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Not exactly. I'd like to think she did it to bring us pleasure.

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Are you not entertained?

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probably after realizing she had been doing her own son for all that time, well that would probably reason right there to do one's self in

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Who says. That baby could have been born, literally seconds after she was eaten.

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larosat i agree. we don't know when that baby Abby scene takes place. it could be happening at the same time Kerry sacrificed herself or it could be a time jump.

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There's no way season 3 happens without Abbies. My guess is that the subsequent generations adapt to the 3 killer diseases and are somewhat altered.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I recall in the final scene, the abbies had leprotic lesions on their faces and bodies. This would indicate the plan had been successful.

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I was wondering that too. It was hard to tell.

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yea that was my interpretation.

it also looked a lot like a human baby to me. but that just may be a production thing

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We rewound and paused to examine the mother and baby. The mother was covered with the diseases lesions while the infant was completely clear of any disease. This shows Kerry's diseases did get into the population but that some of the newborns will be immune.

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I some kind of tribal decorative scaring they weren't any leprotic lesions that I could see

Since 1950 all but two mass shootings happened in gun free zones, notice a pattern?

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Mother Abbie had the spiral markings around the collar bones, as well the highly-raised leaf and flower scarification on her chest, almost identical to the female who tended Margaret after she escaped. Other than that, she mostly looked dirty and maybe a bit bruised. There was nothing resembling plague buboes on her neck or armpits, and nothing like the rashes from the other two diseases.

Kerry likely injected herself somewhere into muscle tissue, with the diseases still localized when she went out. She didn't wait to incubate for 13 hours, like Theo's plan, and I doubt it would have occurred to her to attempt mainlining it right into a vein.

I'm not sure whether it was shown that abbies eat humans. If they don't eat humans, unless they slashed her with their claws right where she injected herself, they might not have become infected at all.

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Kerry likely injected herself somewhere into muscle tissue, with the diseases still localized when she went out. She didn't wait to incubate for 13 hours, like Theo's plan, and I doubt it would have occurred to her to attempt mainlining it right into a vein.


There is no indication how much time had passed between the time Kerry left the mountain facility and when she exited the gates that kept the Abbies out. And she had already injected herself with the viruses prior to her even confronting Theo to tell him she would be taking his place and be the sacrifice. Moreover, as capable and calculating as Kerry was, she would be the type to make absolutely sure 13 hours had passed one way or another before going outside the main fence. So I highly doubt the incubation period would have been an issue. By the last scene we know some Abbies survived, but we don't know why *yet* (hopefully this will be revealed in season 3).

For anyone interested, the final full episode can now be viewed at Fox online for at least a few weeks. They will eventually lock it, but it's not locked now and it's free for anyone who wants to see it again.

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I was more looking at the fact that the baby looked very VERY much to be a human baby... no claws and very pink of colour

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They had pointy ears.

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When Jason Patric originally was going to inject himself, he predicted that the viruses (plague, etc) would wipe out the majority of abbies. I don't think he predicted all of them dying, they were just aiming for a good percentage. I think the ending was to signify that there were a few abbies who were able to build an immunity to the all the viruses & instead of getting sick & dying out- they started to reproduce again. Which could mean that by the time they wake up, the abbies would be building their numbers back up, this time either w/ an immunity to chemical warfare OR possibly able to spread the plague & other virues back to the group once they wake.

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i thought Theo said bubonic(sp?) plague would wipe out a certain percentage then the other two diseases would react with the water or some shit and it would take care of the others. My memory sucks though.

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That is pretty much what he said.

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He said, "The typhoid is water-bearing, as is Marburg."

Typhoid is a water-borne bacteria, spread by fecal-contaminated water and food. Humans have a very long history of dumping their chamberpots in the nearby river, or building latrines over the river, without knowing the consequences of drawing drinking water downstream from that. Then there was the cook, "Typhoid Mary", about a hundred years ago, who was a chronic carrier of typhoid with no symptoms herself. She refused to believe in the necessity of washing her hands, because she wasn't sick.

I'm reasonably confident that Marburg virus is not air-borne or water-borne, and requires direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected animal or person, like Ebola and other hemorrhagic fever viruses in the same family.

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adding marburg to this cocktail is actually wrong and very bad idea bcs it kills its own host very fast which is something u dont want bcs its much easier to localize virus and stop it from spreading further.they should pick something with long incubation period and deadly this way u give virus more time to spread before it kills host.

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she had been fvcking her son no one could live with that

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I dunno, doing your own son unintentionally... I think it can be dealt with, but then shooting and killing him, and manipulated into the whole situation by Pritcher... She probably felt totally used and not in control of her life, so not unreasonable to take control and do something clearly worthwhile.

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While it may be only said in jest the frequency of comments about certain sections of any given community enjoying INCESTUOUS gang bang lives means that someone is doing that and has no thought of it being wrong. Our girl here did not intentionally get into this alternative sexual lifestyle but as she had a senior role maybe she could have worked something out. It is hard also with such a relatively poor interpretation of the story line to see anyone having a conscience.

An odd thing is that while we had the female who had a telepathic connection with her kind and understood numbers and a few other things the race itself seemed hive like.

Series three. Is it really worth it?

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I get a different take than others regarding the ending of Season 2. I agree that Theo is not the perfect person, but I don't think he is that evil, only emotionally detached. He may have let Jason die, but he thought, correctly, that Jason was a lousy leader. And that's why he goaded Kerry into killing Jason. I don't think he set Kerry up to sacrifice herself, but after she injected herself with the viruses, it was a fait accompli. The reason everyone listened to Theo after Jason's death was because Theo was the smartest guy in the room. Why wouldn't they listen to him.

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> was the smartest guy in the room

Which begs another question, why did Pilcher pick out the dumbest, not the smartest people for rebuilding the civilization.

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He figured he had all they smarts people needed. He wanted practical skills and genetic potential, not someone who would challenge his vision.

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