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Perfect example of a movie with awesome reviews and...


...then you see it and wonder why it got awesome reviews. I decided to see it because of the high ratings, and what a surprise. It was ok, but I was pretty confused on how this received such positive reviews. I must be missing something. The acting was great, however the story for me was a little far fetched.

Right from the opening scenes we are thrown into the drama of a bank robbery. It just didn't resonate with me, the character development was just not there and I found myself somewhat bored. My girlfriend hated it, and was angry that I insisted we see this! I just kept telling her it had great reviews. I really diidn't feel any sympathy with the characters or their plight by the end of this.

All in all, a great example of one of those movies with high marks which ends up giving you the feeling its overrated.

I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder, because aside from the acting I thought this movie sucked overall.

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Totally agree.

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Expectations are a *beep* I remember Skyfall was getting rave reviews being the best Bond in X years, maybe ever and I honestly thought it was kind of boring. Dragged a bit and didn't really think it was anywhere near the level praise it was getting. Then Spectre comes out and it's apparently this disappointment. Not very good, disappointing, etc. I see it and enjoyed it. Quite liked it and actually liked it more than Skyfall. I mark it down as expectations they just play a big factor in what you expect. After all, in the end it's just a film.

Based on your post, I don't think this movies is your type of movie. I don't mean that in demeaning or condescending way. It has nothing to do with intellect and all to do with preferences. You say for instance there was little character development, or you didn't like the character development. There was plenty of character development. That's what about it. The characters were fleshed out well; their motives, intentions, personality, etc. It's definitely a film that might be hard to sympathize or get behind the characters. If you need to like the characters to care for the movie than maybe this isn't your type of movie (I happened to care about the characters. Almost rooting for both of them, but was so engaged by happened beyond anything else).

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There was plenty of character development. That's what about it. The characters were fleshed out well; their motives, intentions, personality, etc. It's definitely a film that might be hard to sympathize or get behind the characters. If you need to like the characters to care for the movie than maybe this isn't your type of movie (I happened to care about the characters. Almost rooting for both of them, but was so engaged by happened beyond anything else).


100% agree. This was absolute a stellar movie. I wrote in my own thread that it reminded me of The Last Picture Show. In a world full of Marvel movies, Suicide Squads and endless reboots this movie will NEVER satisfy the masses but it was well crafted and captured the bygone west and small town to perfection.



what Jordie?

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This was absolute a stellar movie. I wrote in my own thread that it reminded me of The Last Picture Show. In a world full of Marvel movies, Suicide Squads and endless reboots this movie will NEVER satisfy the masses but it was well crafted and captured the bygone west and small town to perfection.



Great comparison.

it was an excellent film, it won't however resonate with people why gave Batman a 9.0 rating...

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I guess that I am somewhere in between. I had not read the reviews prior to viewing the film last night (I usually avoid reviews of movies that I have yet to see), but I knew that they were very strong. I do not feel that Hell or High Water is "great" or a "classic" or a "masterpiece" or what have you, but I do feel that the film is "good"—one of the year's best so far, albeit in what has been a weak year for movies to this point. Hell or High Water is rather mesmerizing, and it is engrossing for the most part. At times it feels slow, but that pacing is wholly appropriate. The film is very atmospheric and makes fine use of its wide-open-spaces locations, although as in so many other movies, such as Thelma & Louise, you know that the filmmakers did not actually shoot in Oklahoma when you see mountains in the background. (Filmmakers usually do not shoot movies where they are set, but one wishes that they would not be so obvious about the discrepancies in these sorts of Western locales.) Jeff Bridges is brilliant, the rollicking and witty dialogue between him and his Mexican/Native American partner is exceptional, and the ending is classic. The score is also worthwhile, especially the concluding song, "Outlaw State of Mind." The film offers a no-frills approach full of deadpan humor and dry irony, and the ambiguous, open-ended denouement encourages the viewer to think for him or herself. Indeed, what ties everything together is Hell or High Water's unsentimental objectivity and lack of moralizing.

That said, I do not find the movie earth-shattering, emotionally powerful, or particularly deep. The film's populism is noteworthy, especially in terms of drawing a circle connecting contemporary (white) displacement with the historical experience of Native Americans. But at times, the anti-bank populism feels a tad forced (or at least insufficiently explored), as if the film is straining for contemporary relevance or writer Taylor Sheridan is merely mimicking Bonnie & Clyde.

Still, Hell or High Water returns viewers to the simpler joys of a bygone era in cinema: acting, dialogue, silence, natural locations, time, space. The movie is not original so much as refreshing.

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I thought the populism was both why critics have responded to it so much, but also why it is only a "good" movie instead of a "great" movie. It was just so heavy handed. Almost every frame in the movie out of doors shows a "going out of business" or "bank owned" sign. About 15 minute minutes in I was thinking-I get it. The hype its gotten is also because it came out in a summer full of dregs, retreads and otherwise bad or boring movies.

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Totally agree. I think it's a genuinely great movie.

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I remember Skyfall was getting rave reviews being the best Bond in X years, maybe ever and I honestly thought it was kind of boring. Dragged a bit and didn't really think it was anywhere near the level praise it was getting. Then Spectre comes out and it's apparently this disappointment. Not very good, disappointing, etc. I see it and enjoyed it. Quite liked it and actually liked it more than Skyfall. I mark it down as expectations they just play a big factor in what you expect. After all, in the end it's just a film.


I too thought that Skyfall was overrated and mediocre, whereas Spectre arguably constitutes one of the best post-Connery 007 films.

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I just got back from seeing it and agree 100%.

Goddamit! Things ain't workin' out for me today!

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I had very high hopes, and was underwhelmed, and I'm not sure exactly where I was let down.

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You and your girlfriend were not the target audience

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Odd statement. I would consider myself pat of the target audience, For example I loved No Country for
Old Men. For me, along this same line, in the same geographic area and a number of unlikable people, that is an excellent movie. This movie, should have gone straight to DVD. It seems to resonate simply on the idea that people need to fight the banks and banks are evil. Even though in this case, the bank did exactly what it was supposed to do, it offered a reverse mortgage (which is stupid too because banks don't do reverse mortgages investment groups do by law). But this movie is so inane that the facts are so jumbled it reminds somewhat of our politicians...facts just don't matter.

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You weren't paying attention then. This movie explores more themes that just "banks are bad."

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I kind agree. I expected a lot of this movie because I loved Sicario and I love the cast, but boy was the writing surprisingly lame. Technically, it's very strong (the photography is gorgeous), loved Nick Cave's music, but the substance is lacking, the plot is full of holes, the action is predictable, and the message, the political aspect of the movie, is infuriatingly weak (especially when you've seen something like 99 Homes before). And in the end, the performances weren't that impressive : Ben Foster's character reminded me of a poor man's Jeremy Renner in The Town, Jeff Bridges did the bare minimum, and only Chris Pine shined, although he did a lot of staring silently at the horizon... To me, HHW is a perfect example of a damp squid. It barely gets the pass mark. Which is sad, imo, given the talent of the people who worked on it.

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Britta : I don't think police should be heroes.
Annie : Britta, pay your rent.

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As someone once said....I hope you don't watch a lot of movies, for your sake...

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This movie was better than Sicario. Take away Benicio Del Toro and Sicario is ok at best

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Perfect example of a movie with awesome reviews and then you see it and wonder why it got awesome reviews.

That is totally what I expected to feel when I went into this film. Based on the trailer, I thought it looked like a cliche neo-Western bank robbery film we've all seen a thousand times. Based on Sicario, I was expecting, again, cliches, and one-dimensional stock characters, as well as a formulaic plot, because of the writer. I was happy to be proved wrong (for the most part...). No, the film was not as great as critics and ratings might lead you to believe, but it's pretty damn good.
Right from the opening scenes we are thrown into the drama of a bank robbery. It just didn't resonate with me, the character development was just not there and I found myself somewhat bored.

This is what set the film apart from other similar films for me. Most films in the heist genre, or rather the crime genre in general, establish "justified" reasoning behind why these characters do the things they do right off the bat because of the dated notion that sympathy must be established for these characters before they commit the actions that will naturally cause that sympathy to decrease. The use of the backstory is such a trope--explaining a character's present misdeeds away to some past incident beyond his control.

What Hell or High Water does so brilliantly is introduce us to the protagonists when they're doing something wrong and we have absolutely no idea why. I kept waiting for the film to do the whole cliche flashback to why these two brothers were doing what they were doing, but instead, the film practiced restraint and allowed those details to come out organically throughout the story, thus allowing the audience to decide whether these guys were justified in their actions.

In my opinion, the reason this film is getting great reviews is because of its unorthodox approach to the genre and the characters.

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No, the film was not as great as critics and ratings might lead you to believe, but it's pretty damn good.


... precisely.

And the rest of your comments here are also thoughtful and worthwhile.

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The acting was great, however the story for me was a little far fetched.

That sums it up for me... I thought Bridges, Pine, and Foster were amazing 0 but the script was clunky and didn't really work for me.

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