I remember when "Girl Meets Yearbook" aired in the summer of 2015. While the show clearly had its problems by that point, I remember it was generally agreed that that episode was when it all seemed to finally click, and that it would be all good from there on out. Unfortunately, didn't turn out that way. As divisive as "Texas" was, it was the last time that people seemed invested in the show and the characters, thinking that it would only improve. I remember thinking that the Maya/Lucas campfire scene was a game-changer in terms of growth and maturity. But then the back third of season 2 came, with a seemingly endless string of subpar episodes (with the exception of "The Forgiveness Project", I disliked every season 2 episode post-"Texas".) I don't know, it feels like season 2 had a spark when it started, especially by the time of "Yearbook", then it just became garbage. Season 3 has been incredibly underwhelming. Anyway, what do you guys think?
"Girl Meets Yearbook" was the beginning of the end - the "triangle" began and stretched out a year. The reason "Texas" was such a divisive issue, it was the beginning of the drag that destroyed the series. I think the Maya/Lucas campfire scene was the beginning of the drag leaving questions unanswered for a year. People simply got angry and tired of waiting for the answers that took a year - on top of that - the solution and explanation were so far out of contact with reality it made no sense. The set up of New Years Eve for example, that was never touched afterward. Those episodes (New Year's eve and and all three of "Texas" were the only episodes of the series that I didn't enjoy one way or the other. The idea of Riley/Maya and their friendship continuing through the "triangle" was absolutely ridiculous - any friendship, even one as strong as that, would have crumbled at the very beginning. The writers' dependence on the presence of "Josh" to solve it all was also a glaring weakness. I believe that If they had avoided the triangle nonsense altogether, we'd be getting a fourth season.
I think where it went wrong is that it shouldn't have been on Disney Channel proper to begin with. It should've been on the Family Channel (err Free Form whatever they call it now). They could've dived deep into things there that they couldn't have done on Disney Channel and they could've finished the triangle which was one of the things that drove people away from the show.
they should've had that "will they, won't they" storyline set before season 2 was over. Either put Lucas with Maya or put him with Riley but stop the push and pull, This isn't Moonlighting (sorry for the old 80's reference). it got boring with the unending triangle.
IMDB taught me: cynicism is praised. optimism must be stamped out wherever it can be found.
I think where it went wrong is that it shouldn't have been on Disney Channel proper to begin with. It should've been on the Family Channel (err Free Form whatever they call it now)
Yes. As some noted from the very first announcement of the show, it would be/was a different animal than the rest of the Disney Channel lineup. That alone made it stick out like a sore thumb.
The subject matter it would tackle was of a different nature than the rest of the shows it was linked to. The Disney Channel was giving us shows with witches, secret pop stars, and talking dogs. This had none of that.
However, by being on the Disney Channel, it was also hampered from being everything it obviously wanted to be. Not only did it not fit the mold of the other shows, but it was unable to fill its own mold to its fullest.
In the end, the show was neither fish nor fowl. It was too unlike other Disney Channel fare to fit in, but too hemmed in by those constraints to be itself. Ideally, it would have debuted on another network that would have allowed it to be what it wanted to be, without being jarring in comparison to those other shows around it.
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The Disney Channel was giving us shows with witches, secret pop stars, and talking dogs.
Yeah that stuff's all over Good Luck Charlie and Stuck in the Middle
Looks like the_match_maker is another "genius" whose gonna be getting a lot of personal visits from the Crotch Rocket and make his girlfriend all sorts of jelly over the golden woman-seducing pelvis
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Jacobs could have created another lightweight surface show like the rest of the Disney Channel fare, but he opted to take it deeper.
He really didn't, though.
The majority of other kids shows on both Disney, and Nickelodeon are far better at teaching life lessons and do it in a much more organic, non-heavy handed way like GMW did. This is because those shows didn't have the luxury of BMW's legacy of nostalgia carrying them past bad writing and poor acting. So, those shows had to stand on their own and they do even if some believe they aren't that good... Which is subjective, but what is not is they are executed 100x more competently than GMW ever was.
As stated by others, GMW took itself way too seriously because of the legacy of BMW, and it relied too heavily on nostalgia to carry it. This is all because Michael Jacobs doesn't know how to write for kids in the new millennium and is still stuck in the '90s. This is why the whole show feels like a '90s, After School Special like somebody else stated. The whole series is insincere and didn't earn any of the "aw shucks" moments it tries to constantly push as so-called drama.
None of the dialog, nor the actions of the characters seem remotely realistic. Even for a kids show. I feel this is the biggest problem where the show went wrong, somewhere in S2. You can forgive S1 because this is where the cast and writers are discovering their characters and tone, but anything beyond that and it becomes a problem. Only thing is, this problem never went away and got worse, unfortunately.
Riley de-evolved and the show shifted focus to whoa-is-me-Maya... Even though she got everything she wanted. This is why the whole tone of the show is insincere. None of it feels authentic... Which is sometimes more important than hip dialog, or humorous story lines.
GMW is also not a very funny show... That being a sitcom aimed at kids on Disney Channel is a huge problem even if older viewers don't think it is (was).THIS is why it was cancelled bar anything else.
The reason the majority of kids shows are rerun constantly is because they *are* more lighthearted... Which draws kids in... But they also teach life lessons in a more subtle manner (that kids may not even be aware of, but that's the beauty of well-written shows). GMW just hits viewers over the head with lessons and this makes them maudlin a.k.a. not fun for kids to watch over and over again. This means GMW has a very limited shelf-life in reruns on DC. I would not be surprised if we only see the reruns late at night / early morning than during the day.
There is an art to writing children's shows and it seems Michael Jacobs does not know how to do that anymore... Especially shows for kids born in 2000+ where the world *has* changed so radically and teaching life lessons are more important than ever, but not in such an obvious and melodramatic way.
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There is an art to writing children's shows and it seems Michael Jacobs does not know how to do that anymore... Especially shows for kids born in 2000+ where the world *has* changed so radically and teaching life lessons are more important than ever, but not in such an obvious and melodramatic way.
I would love to know how writing duties changed over time from BMW to GMW. There was one very funny episode this season and I noticed a woman wrote it.
What do we want? More Asian actresses and actors. When do we want it? Yesterday!
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The majority of other kids shows on both Disney, and Nickelodeon are far better at teaching life lessons and do it in a much more organic, non-heavy handed way like GMW did.
I've been saying that since shortly after this show started and it became apparent what it was, but none of these morons would bother to understand. All they want to hear is about how awesome their special snowflake show is and how much the rest of Disney Channel sucks. So Imma like fine I'll just troll these morons because they *beep* deserve it.
I sincerely hope I made their IMDb experience miserable for them.
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As stated by others, GMW took itself way too seriously because of the legacy of BMW, and it relied too heavily on nostalgia to carry it. This is all because Michael Jacobs doesn't know how to write for kids in the new millennium and is still stuck in the '90s. This is why the whole show feels like a '90s, After School Special like somebody else stated. The whole series is insincere and didn't earn any of the "aw shucks" moments it tries to constantly push as so-called drama.
I really don't have a problem with anything you wrote except the 90s stuff. Don't be haten on my 90s. This show was just bad and ill conceived nothing to do with my precious 90s!
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They messed up from the start shipping Lucas and Riley. Corey, Topanga or Austin and Ally is the correct way to do that. Topanga was just the weird girl in Corey's class, Austin and Ally were just friends. When physical attraction is the driving force behind the spark it makes it a much more by the numbers story. The audience doesn't get engaged and that leads to the need for a forced triangle angle.
From there we get into the actual problem that they were catering to too old of an age group. There should of been less BMW, more things like Sabrina performing, crossovers, special guest appearances from Disney's stars not Angela or Feeny. We can say it was on the wrong network but that implies someone else would have picked it up. BMW was not as popular as Full House I don't even know if Netflix would have picked it up years down the road. Disney was their home and they had a better job engaging that audience.
Auslly and it's shippers is the reason the show made it 4 years. Their shipping was constructive even if you want to say the quality of the show went down. Having fans obsessing over the 2 title characters can only be a positive. GMW was all over the map. Some liked Lucas, Riley others wanted Maya, Lucas and the show mistakenly went down that route. Reason that route was there though was because Riley Lucas was so uninspiring. It's just the standard he's hot, will he notice me, yeah he did. For Boy Meets World who gave us Corey, Topanga and Shawn and Angela it's really a kick in the nads.
From there we get into the actual problem that they were catering to too old of an age group. There should of been less BMW, more things like Sabrina performing, crossovers, special guest appearances from Disney's stars not Angela or Feeny. We can say it was on the wrong network but that implies someone else would have picked it up. BMW was not as popular as Full House I don't even know if Netflix would have picked it up years down the road. Disney was their home and they had a better job engaging that audience.
That's the thing. GMW relied too hard on nostalgia to carry it.
GMW could never stand on its own as a stand alone show even if it wasn't named GMW.
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I've seen your thought here and I mostly agree. It just proved to be too difficult to take a family sitcom and turn into a children's show. The show wasn't funny enough, they tried teaching morals like a more serious show would but it's on a Disney level and came off telegraphed. Like you mentioned just picking their spots others on DC have done it better. Some of the angles they took where just bizarre. Shawn developing a father esque relationship with Maya and then dating/ marrying his mom. How they handled the triangle. Josh waiting for Maya who's what 15? But hey they got to involve these BMW characters no one in their target demo even cares about.
I think the show was a fine idea and a worthy effort but it's best keeping these things in the same genre. Fuller House works because it's an updated version of Full House, That's so Raven will likely work because it's a rehash of a former Disney show. GMW couldn't stand as either.
I was very wary of GMW when it was first announced back in 2014, even before it premiered.
I was wary because I had a feeling a lot of the (older) fans and Disney themselves were going to try and turn a family sitcom into a watered down dramedy, and... It turns out I was right, but in ways I would have never guessed (being as bad as it was).
The majority of older GMW fans have this nostalgic view of the show where only the latter seasons matter because they were "more realistic". They actually weren't. The reason a lot of older fans thought the latter episodes were "deep" is because they were kids when they originally aired. So, a lot of things appear "deep" and "dramatic" when you are young because kids don't have a lot of life experience, yet. This problem carried over into GMW where every single thing was forced, told not shown, and a plethora of other problems that have been discussed on this forum ad nausea.
If GMW was made as a sitcom with funny, engaging and contemporary teens with just Corey and Topanga as the parents... I believe this probably would have worked better not just for Disney Channel, but also story-wise because then the writers are free to write for Riley, and her friends instead of trying to always live up to the false legacy of BMW.
Most 90's sitcoms carried the same formula. For most part you're were dealing with Urkel and his silly antics and whether or not he could win Laura over but occasionally you'd have an episode where he'd find himself in trouble at the pool bar and the parent would have to bail him out. Or in Boy Meets World's you have Shawn's relationship with his dad which was a very unchild like topic. I don't know if I'd say if BMW was deep but it wasn't Clarissa Explains It All either. There are severe differences between a family sitcom and a children's show especially in terms of matureness. How adults behave. Compare Feeny and Corey as teachers. With GMW they can't hit those kind of subjects it's out of DC's age range so yeah they may have overcompensated and thought they could cram in a life lesson in every episode. I don't think that was their problem though and a lot of fans loved that they did that. There just wasn't any catering to Disney's audience and doing things that make those kids watch the show. Which is tough because it's a normal school setting when a typical Disney show would be a teen with psychic powers navigating school. So yeah it kind of plays out more like a dramedy and couldn't hold it's own weight. It was unchartered waters I wish they did some things better but all and all I'm glad they tried.
I was very wary of GMW when it was first announced back in 2014, even before it premiered.
I was wary because I had a feeling a lot of the (older) fans and Disney themselves were going to try and turn a family sitcom into a watered down dramedy, and... It turns out I was right, but in ways I would have never guessed (being as bad as it was).
Damn son you should run your own blog like that glozone guy (not even trolling in the slightest truth here)
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like a lot of people, I'm sure, I was a BMW watcher then, and now I watched this fairly regularly with my 9 year old. It was a tough watch in pretty much any episode that didn't include Shawn, Eric, or Mya's mother. I would imagine Riley being so over the top annoying and pretty much projecting an often insufferable archetypal melodramatic entitled suburbanite academic overachiever type didn't help matters. One of those "oh I'm such a dork" types (like every character Zooey Deschanel has ever played), but in the end everyone somehow adores her and any problem that she has was never even close to a big deal. Maybe you have to be in that age range to appreciate what Riley is supposed to bring to the table, but she was just often too annoying to like anything she ever did on screen.
That said, and this probably only applies to those of us who were BMW watchers, this show badly lacked a Mr Feeny. I get that Cory was supposed to be that for these kids, but he really wasn't. Maybe because he's too young to have that worldly wise old man vibe, but his "teaching moments" didn't do much for me. They were about as cliched as they come quite frankly and they would have fit into the original Saved By the Bell episodes they were so predictable. A large part of that problem probably stems from having his kid in his classroom every single year. The teaching and parenting separation isn't there like it was with Mr Feeny & Alan.
Another issue with Cory, he was essentially playing 3 characters. He was Cory, he was Mr Feeny, and he was Alan(Cory's dad), and he couldn't pull off any of those characters other than Cory. Whether that's due to the writing or his limited acting ability or whatever, it was beyond noticeable all the time. The Cory character isn't intelligent enough to be Mr Feeny, and he's too immature and goofy to be a strong good traditional dad character like Alan usually was.
And even though the writers long began to write Topanga's hippie dippy goofiness out of her character back in the late high school and then the college years, they made her a complete sitcom cliche on GMW. How is it possible she's more self-absorbed and rude as a 40-ish year old mother than as an 8 year old? Bad writing there. She was every mother character on every family/light-hearted sitcom in the 80's and 90's all rolled into one. There was really no depth there, and like others have said, she pretty much only appeared for interaction with Augie and the little neighbor girl..Eva or whatever her name was. Very few memorable scenes with her and Riley or Mya. It was always Cory. Her interactions with Cory were nothing memorable either.
Minkus was so much better than Farkle, and I guess in the GMW/BMW spectrum, Lucas is supposed to be the Topanga character. Is anyone even remotely entertained by Lucas compared to young Topanga? I can't imagine that's the case outside of his fan-girls. There's really no difference between Lucas, Farkle or Zay other than the Farkle emo-dork thing as opposed to Lucas being the thoughtful jock type and Zay sort of being the more grounded voice of reason/pull everyone back from their nonsense type...but in the end their dialog is exactly the same. Same personalities, same interactions with the other characters. Though you can probably say that for all of those kids with the exception of Mya, maybe. Farkle's girlfriend is just female Farkle.
So where did it all go wrong? Bad/lazy writing coupled with highly tired cliches. Maybe some budgetary issues on not being able to bring back Shawn, Amy & Alan or Eric more often. Should have been predictable given this was a Disney vehicle, and that's what it ended up as considering they perpetually clubbed the viewer over the head with the heavy-handed life lessons. It was just probably too difficult to pull off trying to rope in the BMW fans who either just want to see Cory & Topanga again(then promptly being disappointed at where those two respective characters have been written into a puddle of cliches) or those of us who watch now with their own children, and then trying to build a new fanbase based off of the same BMW characters with a new audience while doing that under the Disney brand with writers who probably still have one foot stuck in the 90's style sitcom archetypes.
I've enjoyed the show mostly because my daughter loves it and we watch it together. My daughter is very sad to see it go and so am I because she loves it so much. We both hope it gets picked up.
Having said that, these are some of the issues I had with it:
1: Bad writing: The story wasn't consistent. It's like they completely forgot what was shown/said in other episodes sometimes. Watch the Pluto episode and then watch Hurricane and the Texas Episodes.
2. In the first two seasons, episodes were shown in whatever order they wanted instead of trying to make sure the overall story flowed by keeping them in order.
3. The triangle lasted too long.
4. The constant need to push onto the viewer how strong a friendship Riley and Maya had and the overall group had.
It STARTS at ten!' That line always cracked me up ;-)
I've enjoyed the show mostly because my daughter loves it and we watch it together. My daughter is very sad to see it go and so am I because she loves it so much.
I know I tore some of the other idiot morons on this board here a new one over stuff like that especially that JPBMILLION guy but he's a legit creep. But aren't there any shows you and your daughter can watch together on Disney Channel? She hates Bizaardvark that much? Like I kno Bunk'd is garbage tho.
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There are other shows we watch together (some older comedies and a few new comedies), but she's not a big fan of any other Disney shows and of the shows we watch together, this is her favorite
I knew from the moment that they went through with the love triangle that this show was going to get destroyed. They went there and it seems like after that everything got worse. Truth be told though, the writing just wasn't that great. The storylines weren't that great. There was no growth The show tried to be super dramatic, nothing really came organic at all to me. BMW came off a lot more organic and way less dramatic than GMW was.
There were some moments early on in S1 and S2 where I thought, wow. Maybe this show could truly be something special and unique, just like BMW was. It just never hit that mark. We can argue all day long about how maybe if it wasn't on Disney then it would be different. Yeah, maybe. But why did they go through that love triangle acting as if it was the best thing for the show? It was a waste of time on other storylines they could have focused on.
If you don't like what I have to say, then tough sh!t