Let's get one thing straight


The sequels are better received than the prequels no matter hard Lucas purists try to pretend otherwise.

The Phantom Menace 52% & 59% at RT and 6.5 at IMDB.
Attack of the Clones 65% & 56% and RT 6.5 at IMDB.
Revenge of the Sith 80% & 66% and RT 7.5 at IMDB.
Avg. 65%, % 60%, and 6.8.

The Force Awakens 93% & 85% at RT and 7.8 at IMDB.
The Last Jedi 91% % 42% at RT and 6.9 at IMDB.
The Rise of Skywalker 52% & 86% at RT and 6.5 at IMDB.
Avg. 79%, 71%, and 7.

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Let's get one thing straight---Rotten Tomatoes scores are completely unreliable. Stop trying to defend those awful Disney installments.

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"Reviews don't count" isn't an argument.

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"I don't accept your argument" isn't an argument either.

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'"I don't accept your argument" isn't an argument either.' isn't an argument either

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He said facts don't count, he doesn't have an argument.

Speaking of facts: https://www.boxofficemojo.com/chart/top_lifetime_gross/?area=XWW

4. Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens $2,069,521,700
14. Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi $1,332,698,830
33. Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker $1,074,149,279
44. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace $1,027,082,707
75. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $868,390,560
146. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones $653,779,970

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You didn't adjust for inflation

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I haven't seen any Lucas purists pretend the Prequels were amazing or anything. Nobody forgot how unlikable Jar Jar was, or the mediocre acting, or the campy dialogue, or the other questionable choices Lucas made.

What I have seen is people saying that the Prequels had more effort, integrity, and respect put into them than the Sequels did. I've seen people say that Lucas didn't antagonize the fans whenever they criticized his work, if anything he took their criticism and tried to improve the Prequels, most notably when he reduced Jar Jar's screen time, among other things. I've seen people point out that movie-rating sites have rigged the scores in favor of the Sequels. I've seen people say that the Prequels inspired a lot more successful content and merchandise, where as anything based on the sequels failed, including theme-park rides. I've seen people even point out that the musical score for the Prequels was far more memorable and impactful than the Sequels. I've seen people point out that the Prequels weren't nearly as divisive as the Sequels were.

Basically, I've seen people say that for all the flaws, the Prequels at least tried to tell an original engaging story, where as the Sequels were soulless rehashes that were more focused on pushing agendas. It might be too early to say, but it's a safe bet that the Prequels will age better thanks mostly to all the content they spawned, in addition to the effort that was put into them.

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Reviews are rigged, but merch sales, that's the real measuring stick. LOL Christ, you people are unreal. Yo will bend over backwards, move goal posts, and outright lie to try and make your arguments. I would tell you every single movie in the sequel trilogy not only broke a billion, but beat every single box office total from a prequel, but you'd just tell me it doesn't count. Not an ounce of honesty in your body.

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No goal posts have been moved, since the days of the OT, Star Wars has heavily relied on toys, books, costumes, etc, to even stay alive. It's not the "real measuring stick", but you do need to look at the bigger picture and not be so naive. Though, since we're on the subject, movie profits are fine and all, and maybe the user scores weren't tampered, but if nobody is buying toys, books, costumes, etc, of the product, was it really successful long-term? Will it stand the test of time?

By the way, is there a reason you insist on standing up for the Star Wars Sequels? What do you get out of it? What do you care how others see them and whether they favor the Prequels over them? It's fine if you wanna discuss how you personally feel about them, this is a discussion board after all, but what's with the crusade to defend the Sequels?

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"No goal posts have been moved"

You even lie about lying.

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Why do you say they've been moved? Why are you going out of your way to defend the Sequels? Is it something personal for you?

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Because that's exactly what you are doing. Accept facts. Tfa got better reception than any prequel film.

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Dream on, fanboy

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Nope do not have to. Check the audience score for these websites. Imdb, Rottentomatoes and metacritic. It beat it in critical reception, audience score and it made more money. Read the data and weep.

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Dude is a fucking kook. He threw ratings and box office totals out the window, then hilariously tries to use merch sales as a measuring stick, is fighting tooth and nail to defend the prequels and lecturing me for stating facts about the sequels and is all, "WhAT dID I dO?!" He is one dishonest MFer.

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What I don't get is why it's so hard to be objective. Why can't you say hey I like the prequels better personally and that be the end? Nope they have to say the prequels are better and the rest of the world agrees with me. It's such a stupid need for validation.

I can openly admit I like anyone have movies I like that the majority may not or may hate something the majority loves. I don't need to make up a narrative to validate my view.

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Objectivity? HA! We are dealing with a guy who has literally said I can't defend the sequels; all while he unabashedly defends the prequels:

"Again, why are you obsessed with defending the Sequels?"

"but what's with the crusade to defend the Sequels?"

"Why are you going out of your way to defend the Sequels?"

That's beyond hypocritical, but what we're dealing with. This is what Lucas Loyalists do. They are man-babies. The epitome of immaturity.

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Are you mentally handicapped?! You ignore ratings/reviews and box office totals and rant about merch totals; which has absolutely NOTHING to do with measuring a movie's quality or success. Christ, you are gross.

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I listed merch sales as one example others have mentioned when they prefer the Prequels over the Sequels. I also listed plenty of other previously-mentioned examples that you seem to have ignored.

Again, why are you obsessed with defending the Sequels? What's it to you?

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I think he bested you. Please accept your defeat gracefully

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Oh he does that. Just look at the debate I've had with him. He's a joke.

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You're the joke, defending those awful Disney Star Wars pictures nobody talks about anymore

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I do not care for the Disney Star Wars but they are seen as better than the prequels. Choke on it.

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I prefer the sequel trilogy to the prequels, however the prequel story is actually the best in the entire series, just a huge shame the films were so poorly made. The sequels are messy but have some good moments, just a shame the dudes that wrote and made the mandalorian werent involved as that series is the best star wars content since the OT.

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Stop giving blow jobs to Jon Favreau. It's obscene.

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Hes a fantastic writer created a great series

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"however the prequel story is actually the best in the entire series"

I'm sorry, what?

I would say The Rise of Skywalker is a messy movie, easily the messiest of the trilogy, but it's only messy because it's trying to make up for what Rian Johnson did. Johnson handed Abrams (or whoever was going to make the 3rd) a movie without a villain.

As a standalone movie - outside Canto Bight stuff - The Last Jedi isn't messy imo, it just has no regard whatsoever for the story Abrams was trying to tell. It doesn't feel connected to it's predecessor at all. Messy in that sense, yeah. It's so random and unconnected to the others. I would say The Rise of Skywalker is messier and I like that one better. But messy as a sequel, yes.

The Force Awakens isn't messy at all. imo.

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Im not saying the prequels are the best movies, im saying that the story ark is, the rise and fall of anakin skywalker and the rise of the empire is a compelling story

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Oh god, is the blind deformity at it AGAIN? It's high time to Ignore the bugger, and his acolytes.

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"at it"

Yes, I'm posting facts. *clutches pearls*

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This only proves that most of the people have absolutely no taste and just crave mindless entertainment.

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Not really , I give you the definitive measurement - the imdb score

Star Wars (1977) 8.6/10
Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 8.7/10
Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983) 8.3/10

Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) 6.5/10
Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) 6.5/10
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) 7.5/10

Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) 7.8/10
Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi (2017) 6.9/10
Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker (2019) 6.5/10

Revenge of the Sith has beaten two of the last batch.
Although the avg of the scores for 789 a little better than 456

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"Not really"

How big of a jerkoff do you have to be to think this is a legitimate response? Seriously, how high do you have to be on your own opinion to think you have the authority to just dismiss and piss on facts?

Oh, and I included IMDB scores too.

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so much for having a civil conversation

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That went out the window the second you dismissed facts.

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RT lost all credibility after the critics caught wanking all over Ghostbusters 2016 which crashed and burned at the BO.

Now try watching The Force Awakens again. What's the point? The story disintegrates with The Last Jedi. Compare the box office takings between TFA and TRoS for proof.

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Rotten Tomatoes doesn't count isn't an argument.

What were you saying about box office results?

4. Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens $2,069,521,700
14. Star Wars: Episode VIII - The Last Jedi $1,332,698,830
33. Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker $1,074,149,279
44. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace $1,027,082,707
75. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $868,390,560
146. Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones $653,779,970

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Fail points to you for not adjusting for inflation, but I was comparing the drop in takings. TRoS took nearly a billion dollars less than TFA.

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