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Fans really shouldn't be watching The Mando either to drive the point home, but it is what it is.
And, you're right about the YT reviews, I CAN'T WAIT for the YT reviews to start rolling-in!
Exactly the popularity of the mandolarian basically demonstrates that fan base is going to ignore the 5 years of mediocre to crappy films and jump right back into bed with Disney just because they said ‘sorry we’ll l do better’ with the Mando show. Like an abuse victim that keeps going back to the abuser any time they say ‘I’ll change’. Tragic
shareMy suspicions, and for the sake of the fans I hope I'm wrong, if Mando keeps going, Disney's just going to drive it off the rails with their usual 'Woke!' shit by the end of Season 2, beginning of Season 3.
shareProbably. I don’t know if it political agenda-ing that is causing this shift. From all appearances they are just going where they think the market is at. If they keep making money they will keep going that direction. The only thing that will shift it back to “non-woke” is if they start losing large amounts of money
Or maybe the market is with the new crowd in which case those like us are basically screwed when it comes to a majority of our entertainment.
My suspicions, and for the sake of the fans I hope I'm wrong, if Mando keeps going, Disney's just going to drive it off the rails with their usual 'Woke!' shit
Yeap, some series are following that pattern:
1. start with no agenda.
2. grab your audience.
3. once they're hooked, inject the agenda in the second half of the season (The Boys) or in following seasons (Stranger Things). share
the popularity of the mandolarian basically demonstrates that fan base is going to ignore the 5 years of mediocre to crappy films
The popularity of the Mandalorian is due to the lack of alternatives too.
Think about it, what good series is running now? I don't mind if it's a long-run series like House or How I Met Your Mother or The Sopranos or X-Files or pre-woke Doctor Who. Is there a single good series running now?
I can't think about a single one. Mandalorian, even being dull and formulaic... it's still better than the alternatives. share
That is a good point. There are not a lot of quality shows out there to compete with it.
shareWatchmen, Stranger Things, His Dark Materials, Chernobyl, The Dark Crystal age of resistance, Yeah nope nice try.
share─ Watchmen, Stranger Things, His Dark Materials, The Dark Crystal => Woke. I'm sorry, but I don't like religious propaganda mixed with the series. If you belong to that religion, well, good for you. But don't include those series as they were for nonbelievers too.
Don't get me wrong, while those series belong to the new Woke religion, I'd say the same to somebody including some Christian series. It's not about your religion in particular, it's about religions in general.
─ Chernobyl, fair enough. But it's not running right now. It was broadcast almost half a year ago.
It does not matter if they are woke or not. The religious propaganda does not matter either. I just showcased there are other series out there which people are watching and enjoy. All of those series have really solid acclaim. I did not even mention Mindhunters.
Lord of the Rings books and movies has Catholic symbolism all over it. That never stopped it from being on of the best received fictional stories in history now did it?
I do not like hearing all these excuses to discredit something. Every time a Star Wars product by Disney gets acclaim there is always an excuse as to why. No one can say you know what I just disagree with the reception. You have to discredit it just to make yourself feel better. I find it ignorant. People enjoy the new show, you don't it is as simple as that.
Lord of the Rings books and movies has Catholic symbolism all over it.
The religious symbolism in LotR was very subtle. However, you wanna talk about movies that could be considered Christian propaganda? Fine, let's do it.
'Quo Vadis' is be a good example of open Christian propaganda in a mainstream movie. Two differences with the current woke trend, though. First, the novel itself was Christian propaganda (I know, I've read it), so they didn't "correct" it. Second, it was one fucking movie. Perhaps you can think about some other ones, like Ben-Hur, or King of Kings, but you can still count them on one hand.
If every fucking movie had the same level of Christian propaganda than Quo Vadis, that'd be really cringey. And that's what's happening with wokeness, nowadays, and it's cringey.
I do not like hearing all these excuses to discredit something [...] You have to discredit it just to make yourself feel better.
Nothing new. Religious people don't like their movies to be discredited by nonbelievers for being openly religious. You're feeling the same way than any previous religious cult have felt before you. History repeats itself, after all.
Indeed, you sound a lot like traditionalist Christians. You google "discredit Jesus ignorance" and you'll find dozens of results about those allegedly ignorant dimwits that try to discredit Jesus with their excuses, which is more or less what you have said about me 😆 share
A movie should be judged as a film not if you personally like the message or not. So since you say there is too much of that going on does that mean superhero films should be judged at a slant since there is so many? Or do we judge it as a film like a level headed person?
shareExactly. They all quit jobs, played hookey etc for TPM opening...they were angry about that movie. They were gonna boyoctt. They proceeded to do the same thing for the next two prequels. 😂😂😂😂
Than the sequel series everyone shit their pants when they heard the original cast would be in it. Once again these same fans got excited and apparently ignored the fact it would be in supporting roles. Even Mark Hamill downplayed it before release and told these fans to enjoy their summer and watch all the other good movies that were out.(due to the fact that these fans wouldn't shut up and were once again setting expectations too high)
They hated the film of course and swore to not see the second. But they did because Luke was in it.
Now they are not gonna see the third because Luke is a ghost. I actually think they may not show up in droves this time....except they are watching the Mandalorian because its set right after ROTJ and an actor wearing "Boba Fett" armor and these same fans are watching in droves and shitting their pants again.....😂😂😂😂
I personally wont boycott anything. I will see this film in the theater like the others. Probably mildly enjoy it and move on....
Galactus03, couldn't agree more , people are far to hard to please and get far too uptight these days , even if Lucas made the sequel trilogy they would still moan , its an impossible scenario , they moaned because the prequels weren't like the Original Trilogy , they now moan that the sequels are too much like the Original trilogy , its a cluster fuck.
shareI disagree, the Mandolarian being so widely liked despite it mediocrity is proof that STar Wars fans are not hard to please, as long as they are getting what they are expecting. Star Wars is too established now to try to make deep artistic moves with the films but at the same time there is enough mythology to it that it can't become as empty as a Transformer film. TFA was guilty of the Latter (IMO) and then TLJ contrasted it too extreme with the former creating a harsh reaction to it.
shareI am not going to boycott anything either; or call for it. I simply say if you are like me and have not enjoyed star wars since 1983 then stop going to see the new ones. The last one I saw in Theaters was Revenge of the Sith (which at the time I did enjoy alot). But I have had no interest in the new ones since TFA came out.
There are only 2 things that I do not approve of; those that see it and feel obligated to love it and say it is great when it is clearly not great (or those that try making it out to be pretentious artistic films when clearly Star Wars is not that). Or those that pay to see it knowing they will hate it and then hate on and complain endlessly. Just don't see it if that is how you feel.
What about someone like me? I am a big Star Wars fan (born in 94, grew up with the prequels and the OT (my mother had them all on VHS), have been mildly disappointed by the sequel trilogy for various reasons (treatment of Luke, Rey being too perfect, etc, etc), but have overall found enjoyment in them. In truth, I'm just very easy to please with movies in general. A movie has to be truly horrific for me to take a dump on it. So yeah, I do defend the ST and it may sometimes come across like I'm saying all the new Star Wars movies are great. But that's not what I'm saying. I only ever step in to defend the movies because people go too far in their criticisms.
shareit depends on what you mean by people going "too far in their criticism". TFA and TLJ are bad movies, like Transformer or Fast and Furious franchise quality bad. would you consider that a 'too far criticism'.
I take no issue with people that enjoy Transformer or Fast and Furious movies but they do not try to make claims of great film making or quality story telling (or artistic expression) about them. Everyone understands that they are mindless (and soulless) action blockbusters that are almost intentionally 'bad', which is the direction that the ST has taken as far as I can see. I will not criticize people that go to see them as long as we are all on the same page. I do not go to the theater to see those movies either because I feel they are low quality stories, but if people like the simple entertainment that is fine. I will take my business to something else like Ford v Ferrari and hope they make more movies like that.
I would prefer it if those like you would go to see Ford v Ferrari and not to Star Wars so they make more movies like the former, but that is only my preference and not something I feel you have to do.