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Rey parents, really obvious thing i want to point out

posted 6 years ago by QuickieCalzone (378)
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So fanboys are raging about Rey´s parents just being some hobos, they just completly believe this statement.
But who said Rey´s parents were random losers?

Oh right! It´s Kylo Ren! The guy who wants Rey to be his ally.
Which she would never consider when she thinks she might be a skywalker or her parents being Jedi in general.
So he MAKES UP THIS OBVIOUS LIE!!!! about her parents.
Why do you all believe KYLO REN, he has a clear MOTIVE to LIE to her.

Seriously this makes me more mad than it should because it is so obvious but all the butthurt fanboy believe it blind and rant about Rey´s parents being nobodys, guess what? They are not.
LUKE IS HER FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well you´ll see in Episode 9 when JJ comes back and fixes the mess Rian Johnson left.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

hey Quickie, nice rant but a little too late. That has been discussed and debunkted to death already. It was really Rey who said that they were losers/nobodies.

Kylo Ren:You want to know the truth about your parents or have you always known? You've just hidden it away. You know the truth. Say it.
[Rey is silent]
Kylo Ren: Say it!
Rey: [in tears] They were nobody.
Kylo Ren: They were filthy junk traders. Sold you off for drinking money. They're dead, in a pauper's grave in a Jakku desert

Anyway, one can only hope thay do not cheaply retcon this. Johnson may be a troll, but JJ Abrams is a complete hack.

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

If i´d play mindgames with you i´d bring you to say certain things, too.
That her parents are nobody is Rey´s biggest fear.
But guess what Honey, they are not.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

If i´d play mindgames with you i´d bring you to say certain things, too.

lol, cupcake; you overestimate your ability to play mind games with me nearly as much as you underestimate MaRey Sue: Emo-Ren tried that mind game with Rey in TFA and she humiliated him badly, which made him whine like a bitch how powerful she is before Snoke - rightly so, she beat and emasculated him totally a few hours later as we know. So, that argument fails miserably in view of the abysmal writing in TFA and TLJ.

As to "That her parents are nobody is Rey´s biggest fear."...?
Boy, you are projecting; where was that stated? In TFA she waited for them to return, there was not even a hint of fear with MaRey Sue except maybe that they don't return. And what does "they were nobody" even mean, did Rey watch the Original Trilogy too and hoped her daddy was Obi Wan or Luke and her mom Leia…?

[–] Burk48917 (11356) 6 years ago

Obi Wan was a hermit when we met him. Who's to say what her parents were at some point? What if a sith Lord raped her mom, and her dad wasn't the biological parent? And I agree with the OP, maybe it was simply playing on her fears. Jedi are known for using mind manipulation. There is a ton of room for this to move. Her agreeing with kylo at an extremely stressful time is not conclusive.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

Her agreeing with kylo at an extremely stressful time is not conclusive.

that assertion not conclusive. She did not agree with him, but stated it HERSELF without him even indicating who they were. Read the dialogue again - it's called bad writing, and you make it worse.

"What if a sith Lord raped her mom"
conclusive idea, especially after the Sith have been destroyed in Jedi.

Whatever, if a Sith raped her mom, I hope that Sith rapist is played by the marvelous James "I thought about ass-raping my friend in her sleep" Gunn. He is looking for a job and has a thing for that stuff. Maybe the Sith-rapist can ass-rape Rey's mommy and she gets pregnant and squats Rey out and dies, would explain so much. I leave it at this classy notion, cheers.
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[–] Burk48917 (11356) 6 years ago

Your arguing with semantics. Kylo even coaxes it out of her, it obviously wasn't purely her own revelation. Also, very easy to write a surviving sith or simply someone with the force that was on the dark side. You also ignored my point about Obi. The truth is, this movie sucked for enough reasons,we don't need to make up extras that don't deserve it.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

lol semantics? These are the facts of the writing: I merely state dialogue, cause-and-effect and logic. Again, Kylo said :

You want to know the truth about your parents OR have you AKWAYS KNOWN?...You've just HIDDEN IT away. You KNOW the truth. Say it [Rey is silent]….SAY IT!
Rey: [in tears] They were nobody.

Kylo indicated or coaxed nothing but realized that she knew the truth already. Somehow they BOTH "always" knew the truth by Force-magic: Rey parents were "nobody" (whatever that crap means).

If they retcon it, it does not matter anyway, this trilogy is a narrative train wreck despite the rehash. That is quite an achievement.

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

Do you take everything literally?
You must have a hard time understanding anything more complex than Star Wars.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

Do you have trouble understanding facts that are literally spelled out to you? Must have a hard time succeeding in the adult world, Quickie.

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

So you believe everybody who straight up lies to you?
That´s not a good thing to do.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

no it's not, and it's even worse when you lie to yourself, Quickie. But if you firmly believe it, how could it be a lie.

[–] Ziggy (1799) 6 years ago

That doesn't actually prove anything. It really just says that her worst fear is that they were nobodys. Neither she nor Kylo have any way of knowing who her parents were or what happened to them.

If the story ends up going in a different direction, it's not really a "retcon." The story isn't over, and we don't yet know the truth.

Also, the answer could simply be the truth "from a certain point of view."

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

" It was really Rey who said that they were losers/nobodies."

No debunking. Kylo gave Rey an opening to speak her greatest parental fear, and then he just went along with it.

[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

If Luke is her father, you'd think he would've said something before dying.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Good point.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

A lot of people in the "Luke is a Mary Sue" crowd like to pretend Luke beat Vader at the end of A New Hope. Their dishonesty knows no bounds.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

No, Star Wars is the franchise... the movie is A New Hope.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

Luke bears Vader on his second lightsaber fight ever, with no training, and no background of fighting. He was raised on a moisture farm.

[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Except he had training and certainly had a background in fighting considering he had been through multiple battles at that point. Why do you keep this flimsy argument up?

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

And Rey had a background in fighting and fending for herself for years before she joined the Resistance, so obviously she picked things up quicker than Luke did when he started out as an ex-farmer-boy.

It's not an argument, it's a comparison... But fact of the matter is that many shortcuts are taken with Luke, and they're more accepted in a male.

[–] AP (5288) 6 years ago

Rey used to smack around thugs in the desert with a staff. Luke was getting involved in actual war against the Empire for over six years. One of those things is not like the other.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

I'm referring to the trilogy.

Luke beats Vader on the second saber fight of Luke's life, in ROTJ.

He never got trained in lightsaber combat.

Vader had been a master saber user for LONGER than Luke had been ALIVE, and was considered one of the best ever.

So Luke becomes "better than the best" with no formal training and only two fights. Not even any sparring.

I still don't understand how he learned to build a lightsaber. That knowledge must have come from the ghosts of Yoda and Ben, I guess?

[–] Threadkiller (3075) 6 years ago

Luke bears Vader on his second lightsaber fight ever, with no training, and no background of fighting. He was raised on a moisture farm

I see still trolling by repeating the same easily debunkable lies, eh Frog? Yeah Luke had no training at all except...

1. The brief training & guidance received from Obi Wan in ANH.

2. The following 3 years of off screen training via studying Jedi texts/ artifacts

3. Rigorously trains under Master Yoda for weeks in TESB. Still fails his tests, including force lifting his ship out of the swamp and loses badly to Vader.

4. Trains another year or so off screen, finally starts to come into his own.

5. In ROTJ after now several years of training only beats Vader by briefly giving into the dark side, is powerless against the Emperor and ultimately has to be saved from certain death by Vader/Anakin. The end.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

2. The following 3 years of off screen training via studying Jedi texts/ artifacts

AH, nope, Rey-bashers don't allow any offscreen speculation. It has to be shown!!!

[–] Threadkiller (3075) 6 years ago

You already know it's not off screen speculation & you're just trolling to be contrary. This was explained in official EU novelizations ages ago. Never mind everything else you ignored. Sorry Frog.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

Plus there is no offscreen between tfa->tlj ... rey even trains herself against a rock and becomes better than Luke Skywalker ... this is not made up XDXDXD.

rey is pathetic escapism, THE definition of the Mary Sue .... "Rey the infallible Mary Sue!!!!"

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

Yea new Luke has autism.

[–] MIchiganJFrogg (-35) 6 years ago

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[–] Frogarama (12942) 6 years ago

He knows he can just tell her after death in his glowing blue robe!

[–] Moonglum9 (11267) 6 years ago

Well they could do something dopey like say, sure her mom gave birth and she was raised by junk trader parents, but some jedi or sith had her conceived like Anakin with just the force. The mom was just a vessel.

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

I like that.

[–] [deleted] 6 years ago

... that wouldn't work - unless it was THE FORCE itself.

Especially if it was a male sith.

[–] Recognizer (386) 6 years ago

As long as it's not some "conceived by the midichlorians" bullshit.

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 6 years ago

nah, these hacks should stop rehashing Lucas' ideas. The Sith manipulated the midichlorians to create life (Anakin), that is his origin story and pretty unique.

You would hope that these amateurs at LF were able to create their own stories.

[–] TheChamCham (60) 6 years ago

Who do you see as her mother? Do you think we will meet her in Episode 9, or have we already met her?

[–] QuickieCalzone (378) 6 years ago

It´s Maz Katana obviously, this also explains why she has Lukes lightsaber.

[–] TheChamCham (60) 6 years ago

Kanata. And you're kidding, right? I mean sure, there's palpable sexual tension between her and Han, but.........

[–] Recognizer (386) 6 years ago

Obviously not, as she asks Han who Rey is. Han clearly knew something (or at least suspected it) as the scene cuts away before we hear his answer.

[–] specterkev (117) 6 years ago

fans are mad because the big bozo ut his foot down saying that hands down his vision her parents are nobodies.. now lets hope they go over that and change it