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Massive plothole that NO-ONE is bringing up

posted 7 years ago by [deleted]
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Starkiller Base turns up at star system with the Resistance planet and sucks up the nearly sun to use as a gaseous spitwad against it, right? But Starkiller Base was destroyed, consumed by that very same stellar material, right?

So was that star system deprived of its sun? What was lighting the opening scene in TLJ? Did the stellar material left over form into a new sun? What the fuck?

And don't say it was another sun in another star system entirely, that would be RETARDED beyond BELIEF.

[–] Skullomania (483) 7 years ago

Don't suns become white dwarfs when they're dying and burn hotter and brighter? I'm sure I read that somewhere. Maybe it went into this mode when they Dysoned it?

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 7 years ago

some suns - like our own in approx 5 billion years - will first get hotter and extend to the orbit of Earth (red giant phase) and then shrink down to a white dwarf - size of the moon or smaller with hardly any/no light emitting.

So, white dwars are not the solution, and this is not how white dwarfs work anyway.

[–] AckbarsCorpse (316) 7 years ago

So in this analogy Rian Johnson is the white dwarf?

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 7 years ago

eh, I had imagined JJ Abrams being a white dwarf essentially.

R Johnson, cosmologically speaking, seems more the Brown Dwarf type: failed wannabe-suns radiating a lot of heat but they never really made it work.

[–] Skullomania (483) 7 years ago

Ah well. Looks like I'll need to re-read that book.

[–] janelsenor (2048) 7 years ago

It was another sun in another star system entirely.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

First off, Starkiller is SHOWN becoming a new (very small) star at the end of TFA.

Secondly, the opening of TLJ is somewhere else entirely. The fleet left via hyperspace after Starkiller was destroyed. Also, Starkiller attacks from very far away, it doesn't have to be near its target(s).

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 7 years ago

wrong. Shows that this film is as clumsy as it is stupid. The more you argue the dumber it gets.

The "SHOWN" star in TFA would have been roughly the size of the planet (around Earth-size considering similar gravity conditions on Starkiller). Now you would need to understand what a sun is - well, a star must be very, very mass-y to create gravity and pressure enough to FUSE elements (first hydrogen, then helium etc) so to create radiation (sunlight and such)….earth sized suns? Sorry, that's not how physics work. So, the failure of this argument is complete.

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Secondly, the opening of TLJ is somewhere else entirely. The fleet left via hyperspace after Starkiller was destroyed. Also, Starkiller attacks from very far away, it doesn't have to be near its target(s).

WHOOPS, I stand corrected. I just checked the scene, yep, they did go into hyperspace.

Sorry, I guess I had a brain fart in starting this thread. I must've been thinking of the Death Star at Yavin IV!

Still, it doesn't prevent JarJar Abrams from being an idiot about cosmological distances, where Starkiller Base is in one star system, the Republic target planets are in a second star system, and our heroes watch from a THIRD star system in-between. They just wouldn't be visible, and it would take a VERY, VERY long time for the targets to be seen, let alone destroyed. But Abrams doesn't care about scientific accuracy, now does he?

[–] TristanReloaded (449) 7 years ago

the brain fart is the movie itself, playing things so absurdly wrong that the educated brain must assume this happens in the same star system.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Still, it doesn't prevent JarJar Abrams from being an idiot about cosmological distances, where Starkiller Base is in one star system, the Republic target planets are in a second star system, and our heroes watch from a THIRD star system in-between
Yeah, that did happen, and it was pretty silly. When Finn was watching the beam travel, I'm just hoping he happened to be in the same solar system as the target planets. He would need to be, really.

This can be looked up, luckily... What I found is that Finn was on Takodana, nowhere near the Hosnian system which was destroyed.

But then I saw this:

The massive sub-hyperspace ripple created by the destruction of the system caused the event to be visible in real time around the galaxy, including the planets of Takodana and Vardos.

So it's just more loosely defined Star Wars magic.

The one thing that was really embarrassing, as a viewer, was a somewhat long-lived belief that Finn could hear the screaming and shouting of people about to die on the target planets when he looked up at the sky. Apparently it was some clue that he was a powerful Force user or something.

That was just dumb. It was obviously the people around him, also looking up to see the beam and panicking.

That was going around for quite a while, not sure how anyone jumped to that conclusion.

[–] ProgSinister (188) 7 years ago

Surely "sub-hyperspace" is ordinary space? I know this is SW physics, but Disney-enhanced SW physics is a whole new level of stupid.

[–] Frogarama (12942) 7 years ago

Maybe there is a range, or levels, leading up to official hyperspace. I wonder where Ludicrous Speed falls...

[–] RussellNash (2087) 7 years ago

Hmm, a plothole in an otherwise utterly forgettable, boring, superfluous, toe-crinchingly politically correct train wreck of a missed opportunity of a movie?

Yeah, I can see why it hasn't been brought up before. 🤔

[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Crinch is a nice word.