I just got told I "sound like a white man" for not liking The Last Jedi
What the fuck does that even mean? My response was, "Would a black man just say "yeah!" and accept all the problems?"
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Who told you?
shareA female "feminist" friend.
That's a lotta "f's".
"A female "feminist" friend."
And there we have the issue.
My advice, from personal experience?
Drop her. Life is too short to spoil it with surrounding yourself with worthless people.
And feminists are worthless.
Just like any other form of SJW.
They are the cancer of society.
PS: The Last Jedi is the absolute worst SW movie of all time and also out of the SW universe it is complete and utter trash.
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Yes. She's implying that non whites are less discerning and less intelligent. She sounds like a massive racist. (That's the beauty of identity politics - you can accuse anyone you like for being a bigot as it is impossible to ever be pure enough).
shareExactly. On the one hand, it was intended as an insult to white men, but on the other hand the implication is that anyone who isn't a white man would love the film without question, which is also insulting and a huge, demonstrably false assumption. I don't understand this bizarre way of thinking.
shareAbrams implied that people are upset with women having more roles in this movie which is why she may have said that comment. There are men who are sexist but it doesn't change the fact that the movie is horrible. I am a feminist so the name-calling doesn't work with me.
sharePlease. Most black people for example don't even like these new films and find Finn to be a poorly written, useless character & a borderline racial stereotype. It's %100 obvious that Jar Jar Abrahms or anyone else at Di$ney had any real interest in Finn past using him as a lame red herring in the first film & didn't know what to do with him (I fully anticipated this) so he gets sidelined in a completely pointless side quest that goes nowhere just to give him something to do. So yeah this idea doesn't hold much water since it's white guys (& gals) claim to enjoy and defend these POS movies more than anyone else.
shareMaybe try putting more bass in your voice.
shareIt means that whiny pseuds bitching about their lack of control of the narrative are almost always white men .
By the way. This thread makes you sound like a white man.
White nerdy men are what built the Star Wars empire, and I don't mean the one on the screen.
I do get that some idiots will hate any film with powerful women, but that is not the reason many Star Wars fans dislike this film; they dislike this film because it has an infantile premise, poor writing, and characters who act stupidly.
The feminists I know dislike the film because it makes women that are in a position of authority look and act either absolutely out of their depth or overly powerful - as in the Mary Sue syndrome for Rey. Think about it; what do Rey, Rose, General Leia, and Vice Admiral Holdo do to resolve any issue in this film? How bad ass did Phasma turn out to be? This film is indeed a slap in the face to strong women.
The more I think about what this film is and what it could have been, the more I am upset that Rian Johnson was given control of this film and anything else in the Star Wars universe.
I do get that some idiots will hate any film with powerful women, but that is not the reason many Star Wars fans dislike this film
The group that hate it for this reason is such a tiny portion of the people that dislike the film its ridiculous. However some that like the film, but can't seem to win an argument about it love to toss this out at their opponents. Unfortunately there are too many people that see that as a legit rebuttal when it is nothing but a failed hail mary attempt at salvaging a lost argument.
You only have to look at the film that came before it..that film still features largely the same cast but is not nearly hated as The Last Jedi is. Only a fool makes an argument that this film is disliked primarily by people that have a problem with "strong women". share
The 'kick ass superwoman' (in Sci Fi especially) is actually a trope at this point, not some brave new direction sticking it to the patriarchy. We have at least 4 sci-fi franchises with a female lead (Star Wars, Resident Evil, Underworld, Tomb Raider) that have fuck knows how many movies between them and they ALL star powerful women. Furthermore I'm willing to bet the primary audience for these films are all men and so we have masses of evidence that men are very happy to watch powerful kick-ass women in their movies. Of course they are all beautiful of course... and you could definitely make the argument that Hollywood is bigoted against ugly people, but the sexism argument in defence of Rey is utter, utter bollocks, and ironically enough, sexist in itself.
shareYou can definitely make the argument that Hollywood is bigoted against ugly people, but that is just a reflection of the paying public. We are often most attracted to the appearance, sometimes that is all you know about something. And like anything once you have more information that changes. But when all you have to go by is the superficial, most people have a tendency to gravitate to the most attractive.
shareYes, agreed. But it's actually worse for women as it is far easier to become a heartthrob if you're an unconventionally attractive man. Case in point - Adam Driver, who is a deeply, deeply ugly man but that seems to be no barrier to his success. This is what p*sses me off about the Rey defence, there actually is a problem with a lack of decent female characters but she isn't fixing this problem she's making it worse... as is the 'all men that criticise her are misogynists'. No. Only a tiny percentage of men are misogynists, and by far, the most common source of (at least in the west) sexism is built around a patronising/paternal idea that women need to be beautiful/flawless flowers... Rey (written by men) being a perfect example of this.
shareIs Adam Driver really that successful? He was chosen much like the rest of the cast because they are not big names and quite frankly outside of Star Wars I am not expecting him to make much of an impact. About the only one that truly seems successful outside of Star Wars is John Boyega, though he may take a hit if the new Pacific Rim does worse than the last film.
shareI have no doubt that he will be a big star as he can actually act but the point is he's no Daisy Ridley in the looks department.
shareThat would all be true, except for the countless post here and that were on IMDb talking exclusively about her body. I know you get triggered when I say that people were hating her and using her breast size as a way of demeaning her, but you’ll just have to accept the fact that a large part of the hatred from the people here and formally at IMDb were attacking the new movies based on gender and nothing else. The other issues became and after though to ward off accusations of sexism. Why everyone is denying it now, I don’t know.
Take you for example. I point out all the horrible things that have been said on here by people against these movies and you call me names because it’s true. You attack me and then act like I’m in the one in the wrong. This echo chamber of hatred that is movie chat is like trump sitting on the toilet tweet nonsense. You all said hateful sexist things, or you didn’t change those that did. You are all guilty of it, and still you continue to pretend it didn’t happen. Why so scared to acknowledge it?
you’ll just have to accept the fact that a large part of the hatred from the people here and formally at IMDb were attacking the new movies based on gender and nothing else
No, actually I don't have to accept this. Because it isn't true. Sadly enough I spent a lot of time on the IMDb TFA board and I didn't see anybody criticising Rey for her gender alone and I sure as hell never saw anybody calling her a whore. What I did see, time and time again, is the exact same thing I see on these boards time and time again: people pointing out the many many flaws Rey has (that have nothing to do with the topography of her genitals) only for them to be instantly accused of sexism and misogyny.
And I notice that you conveniently ignore the main point of the post you replied to (presumably as you have no way to counter it), the fact that we now have 4 film franchises staring women that are watched primarily by men (and neither Milla Jovovich or Kate Beckinsale are known for their bossoms).
And I also see countless posts of people criticising Finn, Kylo, hux, Snope, everyone in fact (as there isn't a single character in the sequels that's not shit) but strangely enough this is never explained away by misandry.
Do you understand the hypocrisy of this? And do you understand the reason? You see - despite what Salon might tell you - the vast majority of men don't hate women, they actually tend to like women quite a lot and when a man sees a man criticise a woman you'll find thousands of thirsty white knights ready to leap to her honour. And this is sexist! It's patronising. It's paternal. As a feminist you must realise this? Rey is a 1 dimensional caricature of a heroine written by two old men and to point this out is not sexist, however, it is entirely sexist to assume all criticism of her is due to her being female. All this faux outrage is doing is spreading paranoia and division and helping to ensure that female characters will forever be bland and boring. share
And you are the very extreme I was talking about. Pretending it didn’t happen. I’m done with you, you’re nothing more than bigot. A scared little boy too frightened to deal with how the world and the different people in it. And you’re trumpesque way of denying this that don’t fit your current narrative is tiresome. Take care now poppet.
share'white man' despite the best efforts of morons isn't a pejorative.
Oh, and by the way - your post makes you sound like a moron.
It is an irritating example of hypocrisy. The statement is racist and sexist based on today's standards if you applied them fairly for everyone.
And that is one of my biggest gripes with SJW, they are perfectly willing to be sexist and racist as long as they approve of the target it is against. And white men arn't the only targets, whenever a woman or a minority disagrees with the approved narrative you really get to see how enlightened and inclusive they are.
It is.
The thing I find so depressing about this latest slew of hypocrites is that we have in increasingly long list of examples from history about where this kind of thinking gets us so there is just no excuse. Bigotry begets bigotry, hate leads to hate and nobody gets to say 'it's ok when we do it' as *every* fuckwit from history who has ever judged someone else by their superficial characteristics was convinced they were the good guys.
You know when some women say things like “all men are pigs” and some guy says not all men and the women go nuts? Well, not all sjws!
If only we could articulate ourselves to not talk in generalisations. A man who bears his wife doesn’t represent all men, just like a dumb bitch that’s trying to hard to trigger people with stupid statements doesn’t represent all feminists. Sjws are be there very nature trying to make things better one way or another. Just because that group has assholes the same as every other group doesn’t mean that it’s a group of assholes.
I suppose you are right, but generally I find SJW often make things worse. Many I have encountered behave in ways that increase the divide among people, some of their focus promoting a person's color and sex over the people themselves I think is divisive. Over sensitivity is also just as bad as being completely uncaring, the being offended by everything is another thing that some SJW get involved in that again makes things worse. People get along best when they can find common ground, not when you emphasis and amplify how they are different.
The question is how much of the group is the negative type when you decide on the whole group. The amount of white males that are truly racist and/or sexist is a small group of a huge mount of people..in a place like the US. Are the people that make life worse for most people the majority of SJWs or not? In theory not every person that has joined the Klan is a terrible person, however the Klan is still a rightfully despised organization.
If you’re honest, and I believe you are, you’ll know that it’s just those with the loudest voices that make everything worse. I see those that promote exaggerated social justice to be nothing more than trolls being the polar opposite of those that promote the other extreme.
The media in very large part plays into this “need” to be politically correct. You can’t call black people black anymore, they are African American. That must be annoying to those from Jamaica I would imagine. Hollywood, that perpetuates the stereotypes they look to fight against, is the worst offender for exaggerated social justice. Gender flipping, race flipping sexuality flipping etc etc when they could if they were really for social equality create new characters for women and minorities to make their own. We don’t need a Jane bond, we can have a female 00 agent that some talented actress can make her own. Same goes for black bond.
Same with the Hollywood pay gap, it’s nonsense. Every day women in salaries are who we should be talking about not some hack actress that isnt popular enough to demand an equal wage based on audience draw. That’s how Hollywood has always worked, it’s how many bums you can put on seats that count.
I’m a feminist and I consider myself to be for equality of the sexes/races, not whose turn is it to be on top. I can certainly understand why people get annoyed when they see the word feminism, I see the extremists as well and I do roll my eyes whenever some idiot says all men are scum then gets pissy when someone dares say not all men.
Generalisations are how we got into this mess in the first place, level heads should do their best not to fall into the trap of assuming those that shout the loudest are speaking for the majority. But we shouldn’t ignore them either, they are part of the problem and we do need to address those extremes on both sides. We need to acknowledge those people as they are the ones that get in the way of civil conversations.
Very true SusieQ - I agree with everything you've said here.
But don't you think you're being a tiny bit hypocritical?
In the other thread someone said nothing more controversial than 'I won't be seeing any more Star Wars films' which prompted you to write an totally unprovoked attack on them, calling them a loser, calling everyone who doesn't like the sequels losers, implying that all the criticism is based on sexism and racism.
Generalisations are how we got into this mess in the first place, level heads should do their best not to fall into the trap of assuming those that shout the loudest are speaking for the majority. But we shouldn’t ignore them either, they are part of the problem and we do need to address those extremes on both sides. We need to acknowledge those people as they are the ones that get in the way of civil conversations.
So very true. Now take a moment to consider that you might just be a 'part of the problem' that you're talking about. share
I said no such thing, I was talking about all the people who make silly claims like “I’m never watching this again” yet the same names show up to moan. Because that is the driving force behind most if not all complaints about Star Wars. And considering most of the threads on here have been just that, I’m content in my opinion that the majority on movie chat are trolls and little boys scared of women.
Take yourself for example. You read what you wanted to read and instead of countering my argument you attacked me and called ME a racist for being disgusted by the vile things that have been said on this forum and others like it. Instead of addressing it, people like you have ignored it and worse attacked people like me who bring it up. You don’t know me, but you assumed everything just because you want to argue and moan. I’m sure you’ll want to click that report button again since I once again mentioned the racism of others I guess that makes me a racist right?
You said exactly that. It was only yesterday and it's there in black and white. Well, black and blue at any rate.
This was the exchange:
AP - They can keep making them. I won’t see them.
SusieQ - Yes you will
AP - Nope. When I’m finished, I’m finished.
SusieQ - You will. You need to, or you can’t moan about it with all the other losers that can’t handle that Star Wars didn’t go the way they thought it would. A girl Jedi? Whore with small tits. Luke is a grumpy old man? Booo, no Luke is hero! It’s too much like the old ones, it’s not enough like the old ones, there too much cgi, there’s not enough cgi, etc etc etc blah blah blah.
AP's comment was as innocuous as it gets and you flip out, call him a loser and start ranting about whores. Then you have the nerve a few posts later to talk about the dangers of generalisations and the need to keep a level head!
And you might be shocked to learn that I didn't actually report you, I was lampooning the language and attitudes of the hyperwailing offendatrons that seem so prevalent these days. share
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So she managed to be sexist and racist in five words. A new personal best for feminism.
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