Nerds have got it wrong!!


Here’s the thing, geeks, nerds and fans of Star Wars have gone into a nerdgasm meltdown over TLJ saying that it’s a bad film. Some gave even said that it should be struck from the Star Wars cannon (groan). This is in stark contrast to the overwhelming majority of professional critics who have given it an average 85% approval rating on Metacritic. Have they all been paid off by Disney? Can they all be wrong??

NO! The ‘fans’ have got it wrong. What were they expecting?? I’m a fan. Here’s what I didn’t like:

The survival of Leia. This makes no sense given that Carrie Fisher is dead. It would have made more narrative sense if Ren had fired the killing shot and destroyed the rebel’s base ship, especially since he is so conflicted and has decided to rule himself as revealed later in the film.

The terrible fight scenes although that is a problem with all the films. A creditable choreographer needs to be hired to create exciting fight scenes and a unique Jedi way of fighting. It can’t be that hard since the lightsabers are essentially long swords. The whirling and twirling of Snokes bedecked henchmen was laughable as was Rey’s kicks and flicks hitting mid air - embarrassing.

The lack of a mad, bad and most importantly dangerous iconic henchman like Darth Maul who can actually kill Jedi.

Captain Phasma - a non role created to capitalise on her success in Game of Thrones. A pity that a proper role wasn’t fleshed out for her.

BUT, here’s what’s good about TLJ:

It’s better than TFA!

The film is fast paced and maintains constant interest with its cutting away into the multiple plots, the story moves events along in an exciting way and transitions logically into the final film.

I like the idea of an all powerful figure a la Sauron in LOTR manipulating events in the Star Wars universe, but the ‘twist’ that a conflicted Ren would want to destroy both the Light and Dark side of the Force in order to rule himself makes perfect sense. What were fans expecting? Fantasy literature has a tradition that both the light and dark sides of magic have to be destroyed in order to restore universal balance and for the Age of Man to reign. TLJ is hunting at the same coda - to prevent the eternal battle between good and evil continuing, destroy both sides of the Force to create a true balance. After all, isn’t it a pseudo religion??

Fanboys have had a meltdown over the lack of clarity about Rey’s parentage. They surely don’t believe what Ren said to her do they? I assume this potboiler will be properly revealed in the final film. It’s clear that Rey and Ren are related but how - brother and sister? I agree, if the scriptwriters brought this to a close with Ren’s exposition, that would be disappointing indeed but I think JJ will put this right in the light of all the criticism.

It makes perfect sense that Luke is a broken, tired, cynical old man rather than the leading light of the Force. His failure with Ben Solo provides the logical rationale for this.

It also makes sense that Luke died at the end after his exertions projecting his astral self for so long across the universe. He’ll no doubt reappear in the final film a la Obi Wan and Yoda to give Rey guidance at a critical juncture.

And finally, the Resustance is all but destroyed. The allies that TLJ was hinting at will have to come to the fore in the last film, otherwise I think four films are hinted at rather than three. There will clearly be two plot strands to resolve - a thrilling last stand between the Empire and the resistance and their allies on a grand contextual scale with the empire closing in for the kill ( a race against time plot boiler) and a pivotal sub plot surrounding Rey’s attempts to kill Ren which will bring the film and trilogy to a close. Within that sub plot, Rey’s parentage should be revealed and the Force should be ‘destroyed’.

Overall 9/10 or four stars out of five. Needs a couple of iconic moments and a WOW factor to elevate it to greatness.

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How much did Disney pay you, lib sissy?

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Not a bean, do yourself a favour and read every review on Metacritic and better still go back and see it a second time - you will change your mind.

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I will not. You know why? Because I don't need "critics" to make me like something, to influence my point of view. It's the opposite of how liberals live. You need a symbolic "authority" figure to approve, that you're on the "correct" side. Who the fuck said those critics aren't influenced by Disney's fat purse? There's above all liberal politics involved in the new ST. It's all biased.

I made the decision, that I hated the new ST, nobody influenced my point of view.

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There's above all liberal politics involved in the new ST. It's all biased.


Above all? So this means your partisan view is the primary driving force behind your view of the movie's quality?

So you call out bias in what I quoted, but what about your partisan view of the movie and your dislike of anything you can label "liberal"?

That's bias too, right?

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No. It is its lack of originality. But the critics are shit-afraid to criticize it because it has been labeled as diverse. That's a mighty and strong code word in that world of gutless pukes.

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Critics like s**t all the time. I don’t know anyone who can sit through a line up of academy award best picture nominees, in any given year this decade, and have an enjoyable experience. Haven’t seen the movie because of the negative reaction. I don’t like how they treated the characters according to the spoilers.

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Agree with you completely. Not only is there a political agenda in too many productions lately, but there is this desperate desire to appeal to us millenials. They think we are all jaded and would rather see well loved characters die on screen in meaningless ways. They are trying to capture the feel of game of thrones (hottest show this decade) and walking dead....not enjoyable or appropriate for hero vs villain fantasy epics.

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Yes. Exactly, games of thrones syndrome + politics.

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Fair enough but millions of people including me live these films. If they are not a commercial hit and make money, nobody will make anymore. War hammer is a case in point but it was a decent film deserving of sequels to tell its rich stories.

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Mickey Mouse sends me a big cheque every time I point out the metascore is 86 or the cinema score is A. The IMDb rating is only dropping because of alt-right hackers!

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NO! The ‘fans’ have got it wrong. What were they expecting?? I’m a fan


So that implies you have "got it wrong" too?

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No, I’m with the pros. TLJ is pretty good - better than Force Awakens and at $700 million and rising, it’ll make a billion - success!! The seeming majority of fans who don’t like it have got it wrong - what were they expecting?? A romanticised version of Star Wars that somehow plumbs the emotions of the originals. That’s never going to happen. Nobody had seen a film like Stars Wars before in 1977. Now, everybody has seen The Mateix, LOTR and a dozen of other genre breaking films and SFX, which TLJ has in abundance. Look at the way Snoke’s ship was destroyed - truly original effect.

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Yeah that hit on Snoke's ship was definitely an amazing looking scene, very well done. This movie does have some true greatness in it.

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Sense it do you?

Hmm?

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They TOTALLY eff'd up Luke.
They should have never brought him back.

It's a fun story with Rey and Ben. They botched Snoke. They utterly ruined Luke. They should have left him back at Jedi. It's awful that they brought him back for this crap.

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Interesting analysis and I think it takes good account of the elements involved.

I'm not sure if destroying the Light and Dark of the Force and ushering in an "Age of Man" will ultimately work. As I understand it "the Force" in the narrative is the life energy that binds matter or nature together and the universe could not exist without it. Every living thing requires the Force to exist, the Force is beyond the power of the beings it creates and if it were actually possible to destroy it the cosmos would cease to exist, thus the Force itself cannot be destroyed. The motives of good and bad intent are in part a result of the Ego choices of beings that exist in the universe as well as an "astral" influence of dark energy, so the Force seeks balance between Light and Dark.

Kylo Ren struggles with his "Ego" and the "SuperEgo" and "Id" components of it (- these are useful ideas, I'm not necessarily subscribing to the opinions of Freud or his particular interests using those terms). Here we can understand that the Id is the destructive Darkness in the Force which hates strictures, the SuperEgo the rule-oriented rationality that aligns with the Light and the Ego being the mediating normal consciousness of the individual (or institution that has a purpose). The First Order tries to impose rational order whilst motivated by unbounded Id in the form of hate, intolerance and ambition, whilst the Resistance favours loose structures and a degree of allowance/tolerance for independent personalities to direct their activity, whilst motivated by a desire for lawful democracy and peaceful order or SuperEgo. Rey symbolises the striving for moral truth and freedom ungirding the mission of the Resistance.

Since the Id and SuperEgo are constantly competing against one another, the Force likewise must seek to balance the contention or struggle between Light and Darkness. The conscious Ego must find balance by way of the Force which a sensitive can directly experience.

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Nice explanations

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