So...Rey is a nobody?


Was Kylo lying or is she really a nobody that somehow acquired the Force?

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And so is Rian Johnson, apparently! *drum roll*

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lol ouch!

Bring back Lucas!!!

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Lucas laid waste to the franchise with those Prequels. No thanks - he is a has been whose best movies were written and directed by others.

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There is nothing wrong with the stories Lucas wrote - he is just bad at dialogues and direction.

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Agree. Lucas is ab great visionary and story teller but he needs someone to translate that vision into dialogue and film. I had hoped that Disney would still use his vision to deliver these films.

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I'll second that also. GL can write a great story, but sucks at dialogue and direction. As footlegger said, the stories of the prequels are fine. Harrison Ford apparently complained about how GL doesn't really direct while on the set of ANH, and infamously said to GL's face (while waving the script under his nose): "George, you can write this shit, but you can't say it!".

I think ANH worked anyway simply because it was such a fantastic story, the casting was perfect, and nobody had seen anything like it at the time. Basically, it worked in spite of GL's poor direction skills. ESB and RotJ worked because he got someone else to direct them. The prequels would have been better if he'd gotten someone else to direct (which was apparently his original plan, then he changed his mind).

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Lucas isn't a bad director, just not suited for the big Space Opera laden with special effects. The original Star Wars was a great movie and if it wasn't we'd never have anything beyond it. The whole franchise are really sequels to "Empire Strikes Back" which created the Mythology. "A New Hope" is really a stand alone movie whose pretense was that it was an episode in a serialized movie franchise.

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Bodda Bing!


😎

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You win the internet for today.

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she's a mary sue

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Just because Kylo said her parents were "scavengers" doesn't mean that's who they always were, how could this boy, Kylo Ren, possibly know Rey's parents past?

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Sounds like a fishy story to me but then again Kylo killed Snoke so anything is possible.

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Good point!

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She's a descendant of obi wan Kenobi

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Why do you think this?

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Because she likes to take a dump on the satellite that's on top of the millennium falcon.

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Funny, I thought that was jam... ;)
https://media.giphy.com/media/Th4AQKBJ9QzbW/giphy.gif

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Agree. I got the impression that Ren said it purely to persuade Rey to join him. As Volley said, there's no way Ren can know Rey's parentage.

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They are force users, "Search your feelings, you know it is true".

So yeah, it is true.

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What do you mean "somehow"? Its not a genetic thing, or at least not just a genetic thing.

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The force awakened in Rey in TFA but Kylo said she was the daughter of junk dealers that was sold to Plutt. If that is true then how did the force awaken in Rey?

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Why not? The force is in everything. If it can knock up some slave on tatooine, why not "awaken" in some random girl?

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Pretty much this, plus a stable boy at the end is shown having the force. And no mention of midi-chlorians!

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THANK THE MAKER

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What is the problem with midi-chlorians?

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They're a violation of original trilogy canon. Obi-wan quite clearly states: "The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together." If it binds the galaxy together, then it can't be dependent on being generated by a select few beings with a high midichlorian count. Midi-cholorians are just a ham-handed attempt to retcon the Force with a pseudo-scientific explanation.

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If it binds the galaxy together, then it can't be dependent on being generated by a select few beings with a high midichlorian count.


I think that is where you are incorrect. The midi-chlorians do not generate the force. Qui-Gon Gin explained to Anakin in the Phantom Menace what the midichlorians are how they work. Essentially they tell us the will of the force. They are a conduit to the force, so a force sensitive person would have more as that would give them a better connection to the force than someone who has a low MC count.

Start at 1:20 in the following link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoVpSPXGCvc

The reason, however, why I think they were a great idea is that it showed how the Jedi council had lost its way. Qui-gon could sense the force within Anakin and he trusted himself. He did not need the MC count to know but had to get it to show the counsel. The counsel had become so dependant on the numbers than anything else. This is most likely because of the vast amount of people they were dealing with.

The MC count is important but it should be combined with who the person is and how open their mind is. I am sure the Jedi counsel missed on many good force sensitive people because the numbers were not right. A person with a lower number but is more teachable is better than a higher MC count that is not open at all to being taught.

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That's an interesting way of looking at it, and I can see what you're getting at. However, even if you grant that the MC explanation can co-exist with the Obi-Wan explanation in ANH, the MCs are no more than a clumsy plot device at best, and an unneccessary contrivance at worst.

In my view, the plot would have been far better served by simply omitting the MCs altogether. To me, the Jedi losing their way is amply demonstrated by their arrogance, inability to listen to anyone outside the council, and (most strikingly) their failure to detect one of the most powerful Sith to have ever existed despite him being right under their nose.

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Thats true, but the star wars story has always been about the skywalkers not some random girl on Jakku.

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The Star Wars story is still about skywalkers. Ben solo has sky walker blood and is part of the ensemble. Star Wars has never been about just one person, with a new hope being a possible exception.

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Ben is a skywalker but this new trilogy is about Rey. The OT was about Luke and the Prequels were about Anakin. Maybe I am not understanding what this new trilogy is about.

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George said he had a Father’s and sons theme going on and that would have continued in his sequel trilogy. That’s not what’s happening obviously. We have new characters and newish stories. By the looks of things do far one of the aspects of the new trilogy is doing away with the Jedi and the sith. Giving way to something else. Luke’s and anakins story is finished. Luke saved his father, and anakin in the end stopped the emperor. This new story could be about kylo bringing an end to the old ways of doing things that have always resulted in conflict. Rey is a part of that story.

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That makes pretty good sense, guess I will have to look at this new trilogy differently. Will see it again here soon and see if that helps sort things out.

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There were SO MANY HORRIFIC blasphemy moments in this SHIT SHOW..... One that stuck out, was when REY was snapping her fingers, as if she was about to do a dance routine and yet, NOTHING! The comedic scence on the beginning of this SHIT SHOW reminded me of that spoof on Star wars years ago...... "MAY THE SCHWARTZS BE WITH YOU"...... BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!

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WRONG!!! It's about the JEDI and the EVIL SITH, at war for THOUSANDS OF YEARS! NO mention of the sirh and writing off the " last" jedi...... Although he's a SKYWALKER, kylo "biker gang" ren does NOT exactly fit as canon in the STAR WARS universe! Admit it, this movie was s complete SHIT-SHOW!

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Gotta agree with this, its always been about the Jedi, Sith and the Skywalkers.

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Thanks! I have noticed that ROTTEN TOMATOES has dropped even lower, now at 52% and dropping!

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Yes - a nobody - like all the Butt-hurt fan boys who post on this thread

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And you are a somebody? You are just as butt-hurt from the liberals you hate so much.

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She isn't no one. She's the reincarnation of Mary Sue.

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She's back to bring balance to the Sue!

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Star Wars IX - The revenge of the Sue

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No ... that's not true! ... that's impossible!

I cannot accept as even remotely plausible that Rey is really just a nobody. She's far too strong in the Force to be just anybody with nobody parents. Ren can't possibly know her true origins. Why would Luke's lightsaber call to her otherwise? It would make much of the plot of TFA redundant if she's nobody.

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Exactly, if she is truly a nobody then why does it matter if she saves the galaxy once again. She has to be a Kenobi or Skywalker for all her powers to make sense. I just hope they have a good explanation for everything in part 9.

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Heh. As if you need famous parents to be somebody in the Force.
- Darth Vader

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"is she really a nobody that somehow acquired the Force?"

The OP, the writer and movie critics who praised her being a nobody along with the boy with the broom are missing the whole point. There were always children being born with Force ability throughout the galaxy. Qui-gon said in "Phantom" that they would search throughout the Republic looking for them. But, the big difference was that the Force was unusually strong in the Skywalker family starting with Anakin. Rey is obviously unusually powerful therefore she should be a Skywalker to continue with the theme and continuity.

When Maz asked Han, "Who is she?" why would the scene cut before his answer if she were just a nobody? Why would the Skywalker lightsaber callout to her?

They should have had one person write the entire trilogy instead of this piecemeal nonsense.



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They don't care, as long as people buy tickets and toys, they will continue making shit after shit.

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"When Maz asked Han, "Who is she?" why would the scene cut before his answer if she were just a nobody?"

Right! I got the impression both Han and Leia knew who she was. And I think Ben recognized her. It just seems like there's more to it than what has been said so far.

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Unfortunately, Jar Jar Abrams is known for not resolving his own mysteries - he just uses them to spark interest and never answers any questions... I wish I was wrong, but I think we will never get to know anything tangible, since the back story was never imagined by anyone.

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Yeah, Abrams is all stick and no carrot.

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I just hope they don't pull some bullshit reveal of the backstory in a game or novel or comic or something. This question must be answered in a movie.

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Agreed. But I only watch the movies, so I definitely don't want something like that revealed anywhere else. Also, I think it would be a really bad move, as I would think they'd want to save the best for the movies.

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