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Where did Victor/Louis come from? Speculation welcome

posted 9 years ago by karnevilelp
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I loved the second season and was satisfied about most of the answers they gave. However, we never find out Victor/Louis' (I'll call him Victor from now on) origin story.

Spoilers for those who haven't seen the last two episodes of season 2, if I get a fact wrong, please correct me:

In the finale, 36 years ago we see Lucy show up at Milan's bar, telling him she's waiting for a child. That child is Victor. The earliest we see him in the timeline is when he shows up at Etienne's house to warn him about the dam, while young Berg watches their interaction. He's shooed away by Etienne and goes to the Lewanski's house, knocks on the door and makes himself comfy at the dinner table after Mrs. Lewanski opens the door. He subsequently dies during the house invasion that Pierre took part in.

I feel like I'm missing something, but where did Victor come from originally? Are we supposed to think he's always been around as a "revenant"?

Any ideas would be most welcomed. I love this show, this is the one big question I have.

[–] sapphire_dragon-1 9 years ago

Everyone seems to assume that when Lucy says she is waiting for a child that she is referring to Victor. I think it is a red herring, something the writers want to play with if they get to make a third season. I don't think she was Returned when she first arrived at the town. She lacks all the intuitiveness we later come to know her for. She's surprised by the dam collapse, She willing goes off with Milan clearly not knowing what he has installed for her, when he returns she seeks revenge and later she states her regret for that action as she should not have harmed one of them (notice how she says them not us). To me it seems she was a normal human until Milan kills her and she returns as something else. It also seems as if she is following orders and that perhaps part of her deal of returning was to let go of her old self something she is incapable of doing when Milan returns.

If they make a season three I hope they explain how Milan came to think that collective suicide was some solution. It is hinted that Milan and Victor at some point had a conversation that Victor states Milan misinterpreted as yet we have not seen this conversation take place and how it led Milan to take the action he did.

[–] RWeber108 9 years ago

I also think that Victor and Nathan are both products of one living and one dead parent. My guess is that the same thing happened before in that town and Victor was a product of it. There were a lot of references to circles and cycles in the show. Maybe that was what upset him when he heard Nathan's cry - Lucy's abandonment of the baby will cause it to eventually happen again?

Or, he could have been upset because he had a vision of Nathan doing something bad? We never got to see the extent of Victor's powers.

I have no idea about Lucy. I am inclined to agree with the water sprite theory because I have no others, lol.

I would love a season 3. The creator has said he would be open to the idea, but that he sees the season 1 and 2 story as being complete. I still hope to see some of the characters again, though.

[–] Johnny_Too_Bad 9 years ago

I was definitely wondering about this, myself, but here's what I think (having JUST finished Season Two):

36 years ago, Lucy arrives at Milan's inn. Now, she says she's "looking for someone," a boy who hasn't arrived yet. This can indicated one of three possibilities:

1. She's waiting for Victor to arrive.
2. She's waiting for Nathaniel to arrive.
3. She's being poetic with Milan, and saying that she's hoping to find love with a boy in town who she simply hasn't met yet. (She's waiting for him to show up in her personal life, not necessarily the town).

Either before or after this (it's not exactly clear), Victor shows up to Etienne's house to warn him of the dam failing. He then immediately allows the Lewanskis to adopt him. He's wearing the red sweater and brown pants that he wears in the first season.

He doesn't age, which could either be a result of the fact that he's dead, or that he simply chooses not to, going door-to-door and living with different people in a child's body, because it's easier than if he were to look like an adult.

He could also be a forgetful changeling. From the Wikipedia article on changelings:

Some stories tell of changelings who forget they are not human and proceed to live a human life. Changelings which do not forget, however, in some stories return to their fairy family, possibly leaving the human family without warning. The human child that was taken may often stay with the fairy family forever.

If Nathaniel is like Victor, then it means Victor was swapped at birth, or left on a doorstep to live a wandering life of predicting the future, but feeling unable to change or control things. Either his birth parents never showed him how to use his powers because they were dead or had abandoned, or chose to remain living in the tunnels beneath (assuming that's where Victor comes from).

Another mystery I just considered is when on the timeline did Victor cause the bus crash, when did he resurrect his father, and when did he show up to Julie? He seemed to have disappeared for a time, but where did he go, and why did he wait so long to come back?

I feel like exploring the tunnels and meeting the dwellers therein would provide more answers.

[–] Qrszx 9 years ago

With the timeline stuff, I think the bus crash is pretty simple because it's the difference in Lena's and Camille's ages. So maybe 5 years? I presume he was trying to stop the crash from happening like other bad events he foresaw. After it went wrong he just went back to living with his 'father', then after his 'father's accident went in search of Julie. He either just thought she would be kind because of being around the house when she visited his 'father' to administer medicine or he had a dream about her.

With everything else, the things I can't figure out are Lucy in general and Simon and Adele's ending. It seems heavily implied through cinematic language that Chloe stays with Lena et al. But as Adele and Simon don't seem to take part directly with the other Revenants in the end, it leaves a few questions.

[–] opinionated1-276-780861 9 years ago

Why would Milan send Pierre and the other guy into the the Lewanski house to kill Louis and the family, if he actively followed Louis as a leader of the cult in the woods? (Forgive the name typos, I'm winging my spelling here)

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