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Why 'Maron' and 'Louie' miss the mark


Both of them are, at heart, stand-up comics. They're neither trained actors nor comics who have had the benefit of small, easy TV and film roles to make them more comfortable in front of a camera. In other words, they're both self-consciously pretending to be themselves in an artificial, stylized context.

Louis CK's best jokes are all about how sad, miserable and pathetic his own life is. The humor comes from his own awareness of such--hearing him tell the story of a particular awkward moment in which he was humiliated is gratifying because his telling of the story is perfect, just as we would expect from a journeyman stand-up like him.

The same goes for Maron, another brilliant stand-up comic who can make killer jokes out of his own sad, miserable life. Every time he weaves a tale of another relationship that went awry, we not only feel for him but want to laugh because he's aware of what an ass he was and how the entire situation was absurd to begin with.

When this is translated into a TV show, which has its own literal, two-dimensional conventions of storytelling, the magic of humor is lost. The subjective voice of the comic gives way to the tyranny of the image--all we can literally see is the sad, prosaic situation the character is in. We're robbed of his authorial voice to put it into a tragicomic context, to show it from an outside perspective in order to collectively mine some greater, funnier truth from what would otherwise be just a brown heap of life dumped in front of us.

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I beg to differ. Their delivery is all the more hilarious because we can see their expressions. Maron is a crack-up, on screen. And Louis, I think he has pretty much proved to be a success on tv, too. They are both great to watch, with their hang-dawg faces and great deadpan delivery. Ahh....seeing the harsh ironies of Life, through these two, is a blessing because we need the laughs. They are both good at that!

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You're absolutely right. The context of the story told is a joke. But the truth is, comics can make a joke about anything, especially when there was no humor in the situation at all. The trick is looking at something from a skewed perspective. This may not be the case for every scene but I definitely remember watching some and thinking this would be much funnier as a joke told in hindsight.

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You're either a writer or wanna be writer.

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Both shows live on personality cult for the most part - the die hard fans of Louis CK (comedy nerds) and Maron (bitter middle-aged women) act as multiplicators to get the hype going. Many of those types work in the media so they have quite the pull.
The cognitive dissonances you experience when watching these two shows are caused by the gap between the artistic quality of the shows and the hype surrounding the lead characters.
Those die-hard fans don't experience cognitive dissonances, because they can't admit to themselves that their heroes' comedy doesn't translate to TV.

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The fact that you describe Maron's "die hard fans" as "bitter middle-aged women" shows you really have no idea what you're talking about. Maron's fans tend to be disaffected males, not middle-aged women.

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What's true for you is not a universal. I disagree completely.

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Wow, couldn't have worded it better myself. I was just talking to a friend about this, specifically with Louie' show. In the first episode we see him go with his kids on a field trip. When he told the story on radio it was hilarious, but watching it translated was painful, not in a "haha look at how sad this" kinda way, it just wasn't funny.

I stuck with the whole first season and gave some future episodes a try but it never got better. Only watched one episode of Maron and it's pretty much the same deal.

And escadamausgaby is right on the money too.

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Your critique is much truer of the show Maron than of Louie, the FX series. The latter often aspires to (and often becomes) Bergmanesque, Chaplin-esque art pieces and often has little to do with anything that could presented at the mic in front of the bricks.

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yeah, i definitely think you've got a point. There's much more mileage in hearing people laugh and tell stories about their pathetic lives, than in actually having to watch them. i found a few chuckles in Maron, but mostly i was just thinking what is this guy moaning about now. I also find it sort of perversely egotistical of these guys to make shows about themselves, starring themselves etc..

But its kind of a pity, because there's some good comedy material in there somewhere. maybe he just needs to get a bit more outlandish with it? make it a bit more absurdist? i think the show suffers from too much realism

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With Maron I think self casting is a huge mistake. He's too self conscious to keep substance ahead of style.

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You'd prefer that some actor be cast in the role?


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Larry David cast an actor instead of himself in Seinfeld and made a few hundred million for his troubles. It's not like Maron's actually doing his stand-up in the show.

m.v.

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I actually like the realism of Maron, gives it its charm. I knew what i was getting into when I started watching. A day in the life of Marc Maron and his real life trials and tribulations.

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I have to agree, although I have definitely laughed out loud at Louie lots of times.

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