Is there seriously anyone else out there who actually likes this movie?
I get that back in 2015 you people drank the Kool Aid and fanboyed in your pants over it because you wanted it to be good, but I’m wondering if the Kool Aid and the Nostalgic fan service has worn off by now so are you seeing things objectively now?
You Lucas cultists are deranged. You can't just like your shitty prequels and be done with it, you have made it a mission to try and change history. You are obsessed with making everyone think the way you do. The sequels are better received overall than the prequels and this movie in particular is almost universally liked. But you lie, lie, lie, because it burns your asshole that people like these movies better than Lucas' last attempt.
What if I told you I only like the Original Trilogy, and I only have Revenge of the Sith as a prequel simply because of the stuff inserted into the OT Special Editions, which is the only legal way to get the OT on streaming, to put that stuff into context?
I don't like the first two prequels, but I also don't like the sequel trilogy, because I feel it's just another silly rehash of the OT with all the stakes raised ridiculously high because of ADHD audiences and the nostalgia feels.
" I only have Revenge of the Sith as a prequel simply because of the stuff inserted into the OT Special Editions, which is the only legal way to get the OT on streaming"
I am not following this comment.
You're capable of criticizing the PT, so you're not a Lucas cultist. Lucas cultists laud the prequels and shit on the sequels and spinoffs. They go nuts over Disney being "corporate", but conveniently ignore that's what Lucasfilm is and has been for decades. They are irrational, illogical, and extremely biased. I might not agree with everything you said, but you're objective. Lucas only fans are not. Look at the OP lashing out at anyone for not agreeing with his POV.
Nostalgia isn't a dirty word. Disagree with that as a criticism on a fundamental level. Nostalgia is why you go see a sequel in the first place. You like something and want to see more of it. "It's a rehash" and "nostalgia" have become the go-to criticism. It's lazy and convenient imo.
I get there's surface level stuff, but the movie isn't a ripoff because there's a big planet-killing weapon and a bad guy in a mask. Ren is nothing like Vader. Luke never fights Vader in the original and not only does Rey fight him, Finn does too. Finn is a defector and Force sensitive. Rey and Ren had a rivalry/jealousy over Solo. Ren hated his biological father and Rey admired him; and there was heat between them because of it. That doesn't exist at all in ANH. Neither does the other half of the fractured family - Han and Leia not speaking and neither talking to Luke.
All the similarities are something the franchise does in general (KOTOR, comics, books) does too much. And some of the different stuff they tried in the next two - Luke's powers, Rey and Ren's bond - people complained about.
ANH and TFA are not EXACT copies, true, but I didn't like TFA neither.
I can see why TPM was jarring to Star Wars fans, and I just considered it as it was, the beginning of a saga, so none of the good stuff we see later would happen yet. It didn't really matter. But it was weird in tone, both focusing on poop jokes (Jar Jar stepping into the literal poop and the creature at the Pod Race pooping and Jar Jar reacting) to the use of politics in a fantasy movie (sovereignty, no confidence, blockade, yada yada yada) - I just found it boring.
As for AOTC, it was even more boring and as a middle chapter of the trilogy, frustrating. I didn't care for the stuff that happened in that, and even the battle on Geonosis was too little, too late.
I chose ROTS to keep as a sequel as that's when the PT should've started and been a single movie, because the Clone Wars is happening and all of the signature events described in ANH actually happen, despite Lucas' theatrics, so we see first-hand what happened. As far as I'm concerned, the first two prequels are just filler and not important. Also, given that ROTS is the highest-regarded of the PT, I really don't see why people make such a fuss about the other two as well.
But I really, REALLY hate the Sequel Trilogy. I struggled throughout Rise of Skywalker today and hated every moment of it, it just seemed totally unnecessary. I failed to rewatch Last Jedi several months ago as well, just got really frustrated when it came to that casino planet so I gave up.
I do not have a copy of the original movies. I wish that I did. But it sounds like that is why you bought Ep. III, so I get your point.
That's fine you don't like it. I don't take issue with that.
I remember walking out of the theater telling myself I liked TPM. It WAS jarring. I just didn't expect a bad Star Wars movie. Then AOTC came out and it was even worse. Then ROTS annd I tried to force myself to like that too, but in retrospect, I do not. I think it's an awful movie. It would be the worst of the bunch if AOTC didn't exist.TPM at least has good light saber fights and backgrounds that look real.
I think Lucas thought if he just gave us nonstop action for 45 minutes, we'd be happy, but it just looks like a bad cartoon.
The casino planet as a low point. Jar Jar, I don't like sand type low point.
" I only have Revenge of the Sith as a prequel simply because of the stuff inserted into the OT Special Editions, which is the only legal way to get the OT on streaming"
"I am not following this comment."
Yeah, you probably have the OOT in a despecialised cut on physical media somewhere, I don't blame you, but I swore off physical media last year during lockdown. Not going back to those silver discs in any way, shape or form ever again.
At the time it came out, I loved it. I didnt discern the cut and paste, I thought the new characters were intreaging , it left me with questions such as who Rey was and where did Snoke come from. It sounded like Star Wars and it looked like the best of them with cool set design and ships that looked like the OT. I was seated an hour early and the intro of Han, Chewie and the Falcon - my theater loudly cheered and hollared - probably my most fun community experiences Ive had in the cinema. I felt the chemistry of Rey and Finn and felt they were good casting choices. I thought the music wasn't great though with Rey's theme being the only stand out piece and only briefly seeing Luke irked me. Now, I dont like it - anything interesting was thrown away or underused and knowing how the three film story line I am very disappointed.
I tried to like it when it first came out, I really did. I wanted it to be a good Star Wars movie but in the end I had to accept the fact that I was fooling myself and that the movie was a huge disappointment.
I told myself I was enjoying it in the theater. But it all felt 'off' from the beginning. The music and the familiar sights and sounds of Star Wars were cool, but almost right away it seemed wrong.
Thinking about it later, it was the existence of the First Order seemingly out of nowhere and the way it made the victory of the original trilogy irrelevant. Han's death scene was so strange in how predictable it felt (as in, the Han Solo character should have seen it coming) as well as how it didn't have the impact on me that it should have. I'm still not totally sure why that scene had no emotional impact on me. The way it was shot, or the predictability? Maybe the shot of Han's body plummeting down seemed kind of strange.
The fact that Han and Luke had no scenes together was a reality that sunk in later, and seeing the old characters together was the thing I was most looking forward to. The disregard for the original characters and original trilogy story are the things that really bugged me.
I liked the chemistry and beginnings of a friendship/bond between Rey and Finn like someone else mentioned. That stuff was good. The actors were good; no issue there. I felt bad for Daisy Ridley getting slammed by some fans; she doesn't deserve it. She did a fine job.
The fact that it copies elements of A New Hope never bothered me as much (although i understand the complaint). There's a desert planet, a trip on the Millenium Falcon, and a super weapon, but none of it felt like the clean, structured bullet train of a story that was A New Hope. The over-the-top Lovecraftian monsters Han and Chewie were transporting was too much. The super weapon barely seemed relevant. Like, it was there but it seemed so easily destroyed. Strange.
In the end, after 'Awakens and Last Jedi, I didn't even bother with the last one. Same thing happened years earlier with the Prequels - enthusiasm at first, then just disappointment followed by apathy, haha.
I personally was weary of the Force Awakens once I started learning more about it. Posters, promotional images, and trailers all hinted that it was gonna retread old ground, so I went in cautiously optimistic. Unsurprisingly, I was disappointed.
Since then, the subsequent sequels made half the profits, meaning they lost half the audience, and never recovered. The prequels in comparison lost almost a third of the audience from Phantom Menace to Attack of the Clones, then gained most of that audience back with Revenge of the Sith. The prequels also sold lots of merchandise and inspired the Clone Wars and Knights of the Old Republic, the latter of which is considered peak Star Wars storytelling. The Sequel Trilogy failed to sell merchandise, and theme parks based on them are under-performing even today.
Force Awakens might still have a good IMDb score, but so does Avatar, and almost nobody talks about that movie anymore. Then again, there's reports of rating websites tampering the scores for the sequel trilogy, so take that for what it's worth. Are there people that liked Force Awakens? Of course, we can see them here in the comments. But to suggest that most people still like Force Awakens wouldn't be entirely correct, based on how the later movies turned out financially. If most people liked it, why didn't they come back to see what happened next? Meanwhile, more and more people are coming out in support of the Prequels, despite their somewhat low scores on IMDb. While I might go back and adjust my scores if I feel like it, not everyone does that.
There are parts of it that I think are good. Most of the effects are great and I even like the new characters in this one. The lightsaber fight at the end was great too imo. Other than that, the story and OT characters were awful. I saw it in the theater and watched it once since then. I'm just not a fan of the sequels at all and probably won't revisit them for a very long time.
I was never a big fan of Star Wars. The only one I really liked was Empire Strikes Back from the OT. I didn't think this movie was particularly bad and certainly better than Return of the Jedi and a massive step above the Phantom Menace. All in all not great but not bad.
When I was watching the film in theater I thought it was good. However, a few the days after that my opinion of it kind of eroded. I still think its the best of the sequel trilogy, and has its moments here and there. It was a film that I felt needed its sequel to boost it in the end. Unfortunately for this film The Last Jedi did it no favors as that film no more works with this as it does with the series as a whole.
JJ should have handled the entire Sequel series and really sat down to map it out properly. That was a critical mistake.
"JJ should have handled the entire Sequel series and really sat down to map it out properly. That was a critical mistake."
JJ Abrams wasn't in charge, Kathleen Kennedy was, and she hired and fired directors on how they stuck with her woke PC vision. This is well documented.
Why she hired fucking Rian Johnson for the middle movie is obviously for wokeness, but he derailed TFA massively on KK's orders, forcing JJ Abrams to try to course correct with nostalgia by bringing back Palpatine, when we all knew full well that both he and Death Star 2 were COMPLETELY OBLITERATED in the OT!!
What bothered me most about TROS was not Palpatine coming back, which he could do as a clone (out of possibly many) like Snoke was, but seeing a huge chunk of the Death Star 2 just sitting in the ocean, apparently undamaged, on ANOTHER moon of the Endor gas giant, when we all plainly saw it obliterated in ROTJ. Just WHAT were JJ and pals SMOKING when they cooked that up!?!
Uhhh yeah that Death Star was pretty much obliterated, not to mention that if it landed on Endor it would have blown up on impact and would have left one big ass crater. Not to mention for the McMuffin #3 (knife) to work, Rey would have had to have been standing in that exact spot that she was and the wreckage could not have shifted at any point over the past 30 years.
Also while I'm at it why do we even need McMuffins? The way that little maze looked it seems lik you could just fly around it and don't have to fly through it.
Abrams doesn't understand how physics and spatial relationships work, it's as simple as that. I saw the same annoying flaw in TFA, when our heroes on Orange Yoda's planet can somehow see the laser beams emerging from Starkiller Base when they're meant to be light years apart, he mushed the two things together just to make a dramatic (if extremely nonsensical) visual.
Oh yeah and the fact that the Republic planets are like right next to each other, uhhh no they aren't, even our moon is hundreds of thousands of miles away, it takes 4 days to get there. Although nothing is more infuriating that Rian Johnson's understanding of physics, the ship runs out of fuel and it just stops, this is space it's going to continue to remain in motion until something stops it, there is no air, there is no friction so it's just going to keep on going.
"Although nothing is more infuriating that Rian Johnson's understanding of physics, the ship runs out of fuel and it just stops, this is space it's going to continue to remain in motion until something stops it, there is no air, there is no friction so it's just going to keep on going."
Oh god, I forgot about that completely, why did you have to remind me? ;)