$99,000,000 Budget??


IMDB says that's the "estimated" budget. Who's estimation? Seems way too high.

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99,000,000 does seem high but even so, the world wide gross on opening weekend was $62,845,313. So they seem to be on track for making a profit.

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There's no way that film had a budget that high.

I can see where it might take $9,000,000 or $5,000,000 but a nearly 100 million dollar film would have more expensive movie related affects and more, to need that kind of money.

Maybe the person that posted it typed too fast & meant 9 million?



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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by happipuppi13
» 3 hours ago (Sat Nov 14 2015 12:15:14)
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There's no way that film had a budget that high.

I can see where it might take $9,000,000 or $5,000,000 but a nearly 100 million dollar film would have more expensive movie related affects and more, to need that kind of money.

Maybe the person that posted it typed too fast & meant 9 million?


The budget of $99 million is right in line, and actually less than many, similar animated movies.

Animation is not cheap and the idea that the movie only cost $9 million to make is crazy.





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The guy is living in 1986... maybe The Land Before Time cost this... but it was in the 80s !!!!

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Animated movies take years and a lot of work to make. $99M is pretty low for an animated movie.

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Oh good grief, really? Really?

First Inside Out's budget's too high and then a movie with seventy five million less is STILL too high?

Just what the hell does the general public think goes into making animated movies? What about them screams "cheap"? I honestly cannot wrap my mind around this mindset.

Heck, Blue Sky isn't even a studio with high budgets! This isn't even Blue Sky's highest budget for a movie!

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I'm sorry to explode all over the OP, I'm just sick of seeing this question. Animated movies are very hard and tedious to make, they take a very long time, and they employ tons of people. This budget is run of the mill.

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Well excuse the hell outta me. I don't generally keep tabs on what movies cost to make, but happened to notice this one. No star voices, so the money didn't go there, yet this costs almost as much as The Martian with big names and CGI, twice what Spielberg's new movie with Tom Hanks (no big effects, granted)....I was just...oh, what the hell...

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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by jack_north
» 1 hour ago (Sat Nov 14 2015 19:32:07)
IMDb member since December 2002

Well excuse the hell outta me. I don't generally keep tabs on what movies cost to make, but happened to notice this one. No star voices, so the money didn't go there, yet this costs almost as much as The Martian with big names and CGI, twice what Spielberg's new movie with Tom Hanks (no big effects, granted)....I was just...oh, what the hell...


It's hardly the fault of the people who know what they are talking about that you didn't bother to do five seconds of research before posting this thread.

The entirety 'The Peanuts Movie' is CGI. Every bit of it was generated through a computer by a massive team of animators who spent years working on the movie.

As has already been explained the budget is comparable to, and actually less, than most other modern animated movies.

Again, it would have taken you about thirty seconds to find that information. So don't whine about others explaining simple facts to you when you started a thread dedicated to expressing your ignorance.

Because that ignorance is entirely on you.




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Wow I feel all different now.

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Since the other guy kind of beat on you I just want to reiterate that I am sorry for exploding all over you on this one. I kind of took my anger at a general misconception out on you, because...yeah, this is a question that gets asked more often than it should, and it really is one that can be solved via a Google search.

But, snapping at people doesn't make them want to learn, it makes them angry.


So I'll respond better;

The Martian had to pay a guy to be there and act.

The Peanuts Movie had to pay multiple guys and gals to design the character (or, in this case, decide which incarnation to model the character after), build the character (this includes its own rig, which is like a skeleton they use to actually move the things), figure out any animation and design problems (there were a lot of unique problems with this art style), and then spend a few years controlling and creating the character's every move at twelve frames per second (usually it's 24 but the movie was made intentionally choppy). That's not counting the stuff that doesn't apply to just the character, like the texturing, lighting, sound, and planning that goes into exactly how they'll be animated for a certain scene.


That's the thing with animation; it takes stuff that would be very simple or require one maybe two people in live action and makes it a ton more complicated and requiring a whole group. Everything in the movie has to be made, and every thing in it has a complicated process including several people to get to that point. That adds up pretty fast.


Also Peanuts had a few things that don't pop up for every movie. The art style alone took a long time to develop, they took a bunch of research trips, rights needed to be bought, etc.


And as one last point; there have been plenty of animated films filled with well known people that costed less than this. Pretty much Blue Sky's entire previous library falls under that category. Shrek cost less than this, even factoring in inflation, as did several other Dreamworks films (Shark Tale had Will Smith and had a smaller budget). There are a bunch of have stars in them and cost more, but, again, that's cause Blue Sky's pretty low on the budget ladder. Stars have a fairly small affect on the animated film budget.

/A bit more civil this time.

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Then our work here is done.

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The OP came on here looking for simple context, not to get attacked by a couple butthurt neckbeards.

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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by TheFelchster
» 5 hours ago (Sun Nov 15 2015 00:31:41)
IMDb member since November 2015

The OP came on here looking for simple context, not to get attacked by a couple butthurt neckbeards.


Nobody 'attacked' the OP.

The OP was given simple facts. He was given his 'context'.

And then he decided to cry about it. The only butthurt was expressed by the OP in his reply to facts. And now you who chose to, rather than discuss facts, start throwing out insults.







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"And now you who chose to, rather than discuss facts, start throwing out insults."

Says the writer of this oh-so-polite and factual gem:

"Again, it would have taken you about thirty seconds to find that information. So don't whine about others explaining simple facts to you when you started a thread dedicated to expressing your ignorance.

Because that ignorance is entirely on you."

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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by TheFelchster
» 1 hour ago (Sun Nov 15 2015 11:52:21)
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"And now you who chose to, rather than discuss facts, start throwing out insults."

Says the writer of this oh-so-polite and factual gem:

"Again, it would have taken you about thirty seconds to find that information. So don't whine about others explaining simple facts to you when you started a thread dedicated to expressing your ignorance.

Because that ignorance is entirely on you."


There is no insult there. That is a statement of fact.

The OP created a post in which he displayed a lack of knowledge derived from a lack of information.

That is the very definition of ignorance. Pointing that out is not an insult it is an acknowledgment of simple fact. I didn't say the OP was stupid. I said he was displaying ignorance. Do you deny the ignorance of the OP? Are you claiming that the OP was not ignorant of the simple fact that animation is expensive and that the budget for 'The Peanuts Movie' is in line with other modern animated movies?

Even after being given an accurate explanation of animation budgets the OP again tried to justify his ignorance by comparing 'The Peanuts Movie' to a non-animated movie and claiming that 'The Peanuts Movie' had no 'big stars'.

After being given an explanation as to the reason for the budget the proper response from the OP should have been, 'Okay thanks I didn't know that.'

That would have been that.

There are things of which I am ignorant. I couldn't tell you the first thing about how a car engine works. But if I were to create a thread in which I questioned the mechanics of such an engine and claimed that an engine didn't work in the manner in which it works that would be an open display of that ignorance.

Before creating such a thread, on a topic of which I know I am uniformed, I would take the time to do a little research. Failing that, rather than get huffy when people provide me with an accurate and truthful explanation, I would thank those who provided me with that information.







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"Do you deny the ignorance of the OP? Are you claiming that the OP was not ignorant of the simple fact that animation is expensive and that the budget for 'The Peanuts Movie' is in line with other modern animated movies?"

It honestly isn't a big enough deal to me that I would feel the need to embarrass the OP.

"There is no insult there. That is a statement of fact."

Wrong. You've shown disrespect for someone who clearly values asking questions over performing a "simple" Internet search. People like you are the reason why others often feel intimidated about asking anything, and I'm only glad to have put you on your *** this time around.

"After being given an explanation as to the reason for the budget the proper response from the OP should have been, 'Okay thanks I didn't know that.'

That would have been that."

Such sound...such fury! You're a demanding little thing, aren't you?

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Go suck an egg, egghead.

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Bravo. *golf clap*

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The people you are responding to will never understand the difference between live-action and animation (things that are created specifically out of the minds of the individual or that of many individuals and that process itself takes significant trial and error, and when on a tighter budget, much more "stop and see" or "let's see how this will work meetings, discussions, decisions, and story boards. Movies, such as The Martian (2015), can use previously established designs and structures, whereas animation requires the hand of creativity – things produced specifically for said storyline, and individual mechanics surrounding each effect, movement, such as movement of mouth, hands and other, is extremely tedious and requires much time and patience. On a movie set, one can get a lot of production done (in terms of minutes and keeping with the schedule of, on average, a 2 to 3 month shooting schedule), whereas the proces on an animation set, those working on the development of character animation in film would be lucky to get a few seconds done-to-screen ready. I will lastly add that talk of this film, in that the public knew of, or I knew of, was back in 2013 March. The picture of Snoopy and Charlie Brown hugging was one of the first released. I remember being one of only 60 people on The Peanuts Movie' official Facebook page. This should speak volumes regarding the necessary time and patience the animation requires in making a sophisticated animated film. In addition, it should serve as no surprise that the most expensive aspect of any movie is special effects, or CGI, let alone a film comprise solely of that – CGI.
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"The entirety of the Peanuts Movie is CGI." And nothing wrong with that, either, as they kept the same look of the shows...I think that the first several specials of them in the mid-1960s should have been CGI but they didn't have it back then though...btw why the bagging on CGI by the way?

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Jack_North: although you don't believe in the Peanuts movie budget you by yourself showed me it may be right: The Spielberg movie with Tom Hanks had 40 million budget but Spielberg's Tintin had budget 130 millions, 90 millions more.

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Tangled had a $260 million budget.

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Tangled had a long and troubled production, which involved completely rebooting the film from scratch on several occasions. That explains why the budget ballooned past even Pixar films at the time. If it weren't for the Disney Princess merchandising raking in billions, the film would have never made a profit off box office alone.

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There were also the problems involving the tech etc. like I said before, creating animated movies like this is pretty costly.

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The number is probably right but I agree that the budget is unjustifiably high. The first feature-length computer-animated film Toy Story had a budget of 30 millions which would cost about 47 millions after inflation correction today. Toy Story was a pioneering achievement. Back then, Computers and software were by far not that evolved. It is hard to understand where all the money goes these days.

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Tangled cost much more than that. Computers evolved, sure, that doesnt mean it's easy to make animated movies like that, it's pretty hard, they even have to cut corners sometimes, for example, one of the reasons Tangled had such a huge budget is because they had to make sure the hair looked really good.

Animators for such movies, video games etc. often have problems with hairy, it's not easy to make it look really good and make it behave realistically, that's why must of the time they make the female characters have shorter hair or there's not much hair movement apart from certain scenes where it should stand out etc.

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Toy Story costs so little because it's a humongous technical downgrade from the stuff that would come later. It's a massively restricted movie that could't do half the things CGI does all the time now. Development of new technology allowed for things to be more polished and for new things to be done, but, aside from a few instances, it didn't make doing said things any easier (in fact there are instances where more advanced tech made things harder), and the new stuff added to the work load.


This is the basic equivalent of saying "The first plane cost 20 thousand and it was a technical achievement and we've developed better tech since then, therefore jets today shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands".

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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by go85
» 5 hours ago (Sun Nov 15 2015 08:37:54)
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The number is probably right but I agree that the budget is unjustifiably high. The first feature-length computer-animated film Toy Story had a budget of 30 millions which would cost about 47 millions after inflation correction today. Toy Story was a pioneering achievement. Back then, Computers and software were by far not that evolved. It is hard to understand where all the money goes these days.



By that logic 'Toy Story 2' shouldn't have had a budget of $90 million and 'Toy Story 2' shouldn't have had a budget of $200 million.

A large part of the reason for the lower budget on 'Toy Story' is that because it was the first of its kind the studio didn't know what the reaction would be and they didn't commit a lot of money.

After the success of 'Toy Story' studios saw that there was money to be made in the Pixar style animation and thus dedicated more money to the projects. Bigger staffs were created to work on the movies and more money was allocated to spend more time on the technical end of the movie making.

Beyond that 'Toy Story' went over budget and many of the people working on the movie committed many 'volunteer' hours for which they weren't paid a dime simply because they wanted to get the movie made.





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Computed animated films are expensive. Blue Sky films are actually reasonably budgeted, compared to the more pricy DreamWorks, Pixar and Disney animated films. Pixar, in particular, reportedly spends up to $200 million per movie. Blue Sky gets Connecticut tax credits, which helps lower the budgets on their films.

The average price of animated films per major studio tends to go as such:

1. Pixar - $170-200 million
2. Disney - $150-170 million
3. DreamWorks - $130-150 million
5. Blue Sky - $90-100 million
6. Illumination - $70-80 million (mainly because they outsource their animation to France)
7. Sony Animation - $70-80 million (ever since they started outsourcing their animation to Vancouver)
8. Warner Brothers/Animal Logic - $60-80 million (their operations are in Australia)

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Don't worry I thought the same thing when I saw the budget. Yes this is completely animated but they kept the backgrounds more traditional. The problem is that Hollywood is so over blown that most movies cost way to much. Watch ending credits and you will see that some producers and even stars have two/three personal assistants for a movie. Give me a break!

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I'm guessing you don't know much about animation etc.

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No, I do know about animation, I also know the inside and outs of filmmaking in the Hollywood system and how money gets overspent. I will bet you that most of the money did not get spent on animation. Much like most of the budget of Age of Ultron didn't get spent on CGI.

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by jack_north » 2 days ago (Sat Nov 14 2015 09:02:09)
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Post Edited: Sat Nov 14 2015 10:23:50
IMDB says that's the "estimated" budget. Who's estimation? Seems way too high.

Given what it costs to make a CGI film these days, that's about right. Whether anyone in their right mind is going to back a project like this film is another matter.

Or, in my opinion, that's 99mil they'll never see again.

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Re: $99,000,000 Budget??
by Blueghost
» 6 hours ago (Tue Nov 17 2015 01:06:04)
IMDb member since January 2002
Post Edited: Tue Nov 17 2015 05:28:04

Given what it costs to make a CGI film these days, that's about right. Whether anyone in their right mind is going to back a project like this film is another matter.

Or, in my opinion, that's 99mil they'll never see again.


After ten days in release the movie has grossed $90,233,064.

The movie has an 'A' Cinemascore rating from audiences which is a good indicator that a movie will have legs.

The holiday season is coming up.

The movie still has forty-six international markets where it hasn't opened yet.

So not only are they going to see that money again they are going to see quite a bit more.






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Well, possibly, but it hasn't made back its cost yet.

All I know is I thought it could have been better, and there were barely any people in the theatre when I saw it the other night.

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If it's been out for almost two weeks & fridays and saturdays are going to be the biggest movie going nights. I saw it opening night friday and it was packed. So it's no surprise to me hardly anyone was in the theater when you went.

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https://www.nyfa.edu/student-resources/most-expensive-animated-movies-of-all-time/

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