'WE WANT SNOW WHITE'
I just can't bring myself to watch this... Enjoyed SW&H - wanted a sequel WITH SW
shareThey refused to have her in thesequel after she got caught banging the married director of the first film. Maybe since its been years they might have her in a third, butthem not having her in this has been known since it was greenlit.
shareThey refused to have her in thesequel after she got caught banging the married director of the first film.
So you actually believe Kristen was let go because of a moral imperative to do so, a crisis of conscience? That's laughable considering Hollywood is not exactly a model of high moral character and chastity. In fact, Universal issued a statement denying that Kristen was let go because of any indiscretion. In my opinion, Kristen was let go because they believe Blunt and Chastain are bigger box office draws than Kristen is. We'll soon find out who really is the box office poisonous apple.
Maybe since its been years they might have her in a third, butthem not having her in this has been known since it was greenlit.
But couldn't they have included a cameo appearance of Kristen? Or if they didn't want to incur extra cost in filming a new scene involving Kristen, why not include a few flashback scenes of Snow from the first film? How can this be called a sequel of Snow White and the Huntsman, if it has no reference to its main character Snow White?
It almost seems as if they wanted to distance themselves as far away as possible from Kristen. Big mistake.
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Or if they didn't want to incur extra cost in filming a new scene involving Kristen, why not include a few flashback scenes of Snow from the first film? How can this be called a sequel of Snow White and the Huntsman, if it has no reference to its main character Snow White?
You haven't seen the film then? Not only do they show some brief (admittedly, very brief) flashbacks from Snow White and The Huntsman with Kristen Stewart clearly recognisable in them, there are also several references to the character Snow White in the dialogue.
It almost seems as if they wanted to distance themselves as far away as possible from Kristen.
From that evidence I would say not. share
You haven't seen the film then? Not only do they show some brief (admittedly, very brief) flashbacks from Snow White and The Huntsman with Kristen Stewart clearly recognisable in them, there are also several references to the character Snow White in the dialogue.
Admittedly, I haven't watched this film, since it has yet to be released here in the U.S. I have read comments which state that Kristen was barely recognizable in that flashback scene of Kristen you refer to, which is a very brief glimpse of Kristen in a reflection from a mirror. Just to clarify what I said, as far as using the term reference, I was referring to visual references of Kristen portraying Snow.
From that evidence I would say not.
I just hope you're right that producers of this franchise are keeping their options open. It wouldn't make sense for them not to since there are so many big budget actioners being released, almost as if they're rolling off of an assembly line, that there are barely enough highly qualified actresses to play all the parts of the heroines. For those who say otherwise, how can one explain why many of these big budget action flicks aren't being well received by the critics. In my opinion, producers need to hire actresses who aren't just another pretty face, but can actually act the part. Kristen is physically attractive, even by haute couture fashion standards, she has proven that she can act by all the prestigious critical acclaim she received from her performance in Clouds of Sils Maria, and starred in commercially successful films such as Panic Room, all four installments of The Twilight Saga and Snow White and the Huntsman.
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I have read comments which state that Kristen was barely recognizable in that flashback scene of Kristen you refer to, which is a very brief glimpse of Kristen in a reflection from a mirror.
I think the people claiming that "should've gone to SpecSavers", as the adverts say. I don't think you have SpecSavers in the U.S., but to give you an idea, three of their ads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9J_q2OUzis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZeO5oc428
And saving the best to last:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV2qiOeUT9E
I hope you enjoy the movie when you get to see it. For myself, I missed the character Snow White and Kristen Stewart playing her, but I still found Winter's War to be a worthwhile watch.
Another thing which is off-topic for this thread, and which little mention has been made of on these boards: the music. I thought the music for SWATH was very good, and I was glad to see that James Newton Howard composed the music for this one as well. He re-iterates and develops themes from SWATH for certain characters and situations in a way I enjoyed. share
Huge problem with your logic: Chastain and Blunt were not cast for over a year after Kristen was let go. Both she and the director were let go because the studio feared the affair would affect monetary gross of a sequel.
shareHuge problem with your logic: Chastain and Blunt were not cast for over a year after Kristen was let go.
But the thing is, Kristen wasn't officially, or should I say publicly announced that she would not be in the next installment of this franchise up until the point where they announced they would to do a prequel about the Huntsman instead of doing a sequel to SWATH. And besides, whose fault was it that this prequel would be released four years after Snow White and the Huntsman. Like I stated earlier, strike when the iron is hot--if it was their original intention to make SWATH into a multiple film franchise.
Both she and the director were let go because the studio feared the affair would affect monetary gross of a sequel.
But saying such would fly in the face of the statement issued by Universal which denies dropping Kristen because of an indiscretion regarding the director of SWATH:
https://www.thewrap.com/universal-denies-dropping-kristen-stewart-next-snow-white-film-52171/
Universal Denies Dropping Kristen Stewart From Next ‘Snow White’ Film
Universal said it has not dropped Kristen Stewart, but it is exploring options and plans a spinoff rather than a sequel.
Kristen Stewart may reprise her role as Snow White after all.
Universal Pictures has denied a report stating that the studio had dropped the actress from the project in the aftermath of her infidelities with the original "Snow White and the Huntsman" director Rupert Sanders.
"We are extremely proud of 'Snow White and the Huntsman' and we're currently exploring all options to continue the franchise," Donna Langely, the co-chairman of Universal Pictures, said in a statement to TheWrap. "Any reports that Kristen Stewart has been dropped are false."
The Hollywood Reporter cited unnamed sources on Tuesday saying Universal dropped Stewart from the next film in the franchise.
So if Kristen wasn't dropped because of an indiscretion, then what exactly was she dropped for, since you appear to have the answer when you question my logic? Like I stated earlier, my guess is they thought they could do better by hiring, not one but two A-list type actresses in Kristen's stead. share
Kristen was let go because they believe Blunt and Chastain are bigger box office draws than Kristen is. We'll soon find out who really is the box office poisonous apple.
We did, and it obviously wasn't Kristen...
Rest in peace, Roger Ebert. You were the best. share
They refused to have her in thesequel after she got caught banging the married director of the first film.
The Hollywood Reporter article, dated 8/14/2012 says it was unclear why Universal decided to move forward with a spinoff to SWATH without Kristen and why such a move was highly unusual, regardless of Stewart's affair with Sanders:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kristen-stewart-dropped-snow-white-sequel-hemsworth-361945
Kristen Stewart Dropped from 'Snow White' Sequel Plans (Exclusive)
5:10 PM PDT 8/14/2012 by Kim Masters
Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the sequel to June's Snow White, which starred Stewart, Hemsworth and Charlize Theron, is being reconceived as a spinoff movie. It's unclear whether director Rupert Sanders will return, though one source with ties to the production says he will. However, screenwriter David Koepp, who had been hired to pen the continuation of the original film, is being settled out of his rich contract, according to sources, as the project is being transformed into something other than the movie that Koepp had been hired to write.
"The studio is currently exploring options to continue the franchise," a Universal spokeswoman says.
The move comes in the wake of Stewart, 22, and the married Sanders, 41, apologizing publicly for a romantic affair after compromising photos of the duo were published in July. (Stewart was dating her Twilight co-star Robert Pattinson.) While it might have been awkward for Stewart and Sanders to reunite for a sequel, it is not clear why the decision to move forward without Stewart was made.
It is highly unusual for Hollywood studios to drop stars of franchises between the first and second installments. The original plan, according to sources, was to make two films featuring the Snow White character and a third film spinning off the Huntsman, similar to how Fox's X-Men series has spun off Wolverine.
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They refused to have her in thesequel after she got caught banging the married director of the first film. Maybe since its been years they might have her in a third, butthem not having her in this has been known since it was greenlit.
Thought I should add this article from The Hollywood Reporter into this discussion:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kristen-stewart-snow-white-exit-reasons-363143
10 Million Reasons Why Kristen Stewart's Exclusion From 'Snow White' Makes Business Sense (Analysis)
The star was due a huge salary and 5 percent of the backend, suggesting that finances -- not her recent personal issues -- drove Universal's decision to pursue a sequel based on the Huntsman character.
At face value, this seems to make a bit of fiscal sense--well at least until one delves deeper.
Universal has an option on Stewart for a second film, so sources say her team of representatives had assumed that she would be part of the plans.
But given the fair but not outstanding box-office performance of the original film, Stewart was not assured of a role in the sequel even before there was any hint of scandal. By leaving her out of the equation, Universal could save as much as $10 million out of the gate. Sources tell THR that is roughly the amount Stewart’s initial contract stipulated that she would be paid for the second film -- twice what she received for the first Snow White, which has grossed $389 million at the global box office since opening in June. She also would receive 5 percent of the film’s backend (defined as the money the studio recoups once its costs for making and marketing the film have been covered).
So they thought they would save $10 million by not including Kristen in this spin-off. Not really considering Charlize Theron got a huge pay bump as she got paid $10 million to reprise her role as Ravenna, since she isn't a supporting actress, as she would have been had they made a sequel to SWATH. One must also consider the added cost of hiring of Emily Blunt and Jessica Chastain for The Huntsman Winter's War.
However, with a budget north of $170 million, the film's $389 million gross was decent but not good enough to guarantee a sequel, according to several executives and producers who were not involved with the project. (One executive was told that the sequel including Snow White would proceed only if the original grossed $500 million.) “But maybe rather than completely throw in the towel, they said they’d do a lower-budget version,” says a former studio chief.
So unless SWATH made $500 million, they would not do a sequel? Didn't SWATH gross more than what most in the industry were expecting? Does this imply that producers of this film expected SWATH to do as well as a Marvel superhero movie?
Interestingly, the previous year, two immensely popular Marvel superhero movies did not gross as much worldwide as Snow White and the Huntsman did with its $397 million total gross. Captain America: The First Avenger had a worldwide gross of $370 million, while X-Men: First Class made even less at $353 million. Heck, even Thor, although grossing more than SWATH, failed to gross $500 million, coming in at a shade under $450 million.
And yet, producers of these three Marvel superhero films had no reservations about making sequels to these films. And they were all rewarded handsomely as all the sequels to the aforementioned superhero films made way more than their predecessors.
Speaking of The Huntsman being considered a "lower-budget version", Scott Mendelson wrote in a Forbes magazine article, that the production budget of this film is around $115 million, which still makes it a big budget spin-off. And if The Huntsman grosses half as much as SWATH in domestic box office, as some sites such as Collider are projecting, can't see how this equates to cutting their losses.
If cost was the question, choosing between the stars would not be a tough call, these observers agree. Stewart has her legions of fans from the Twilight films, but the studio chief says Hemsworth, who also starred in Thor and The Avengers, in all likelihood tested higher with audiences. Indeed, an industry polling expert who has gauged audience interest in Hemsworth says: "Don't underestimate his star power in this equation. He's a much bigger deal after Avengers. Plus, he tests very high with women as well as men. So if he's bringing guys and women like him, it would make sense that Stewart isn't as necessary."
But like I mentioned previously, Thor failed to crack the $500 million barrier which prevented producers of SWATH from doing a sequel. And the thing noteworthy of the Marvel Cinematic Universe films are that the main stars reprise their roles in future installments and build on the successes of films that preceded it. The Avengers, is an example of such buildup.
Indeed, insiders say market research indicated Stewart was a polarizing figure to the young female audience even before the 22-year-old star and Sanders, 41, apologized publicly for an affair captured by paparazzi cameras. (Stewart was dating her Twilight co-star Robert Pattinson at the time.). "That's what teenage girls are like," says one executive. "They love you and they hate you."
I'm pretty sure Kristen was quite polarizing while she starred in The Twilight Saga films. And yet this franchise still managed to gross a whopping $3.3 billion! So much for polarizing having an adverse effect on box office.
Still, an insider suggests that the affair tilted the calculus even further toward pursuing the Huntsman solo, explaining, “The feeling was if it's a Huntsman movie it can be disassociated from the whole mess.”
We'll find out soon whether The Huntsman will be a mess, box office wise.
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