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Did anyone else think that ?????SPOILERS


If she hadn't married Tony, there is no doubt in my mind that she would have just stayed in Ireland. She would have had everything she wanted there- got to stay with her mother, have a good job, be back home, and met a guy who liked her who was financially stable. Come to think of it, if her old boss never confronted her that she knew she was married already, I think she would have just left Tony stranded. I feel bad for both male characters. The first really liked her and wanted to make her happy, and the other had no idea that she was married so she led him on.

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Agreed. It really wasn't much of a story. Kinda' dopey, honestly. The way it was told was certainly not that well done.

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I also think it wasn't as good of a movie as people said it was with the writing. If you take away the immigrant storyline, it would have just been your average "who does she pick?" movie.

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I posted my own thread on this:

the movie had everything but a truly compelling story. It was paint-by-the-numbers, and it showed. No soul.

Someone else mentioned that final scene (SPOILER): When we see Ellis standing against the wall outside of her husband's workplace. (In another movie), this could have been powerful, heartbreaking, and breathtaking. Here? It wasn't earned. Ellis wasn't doing something noble, difficult, or brave—like you mentioned, it seemed like she was just shuffling about this entire movie. She wasn't that interesting, and neither was her story.

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Yeah by the end of the movie I was like "That's it?" but it was a simple story and nice, but more of a typical TV movie plot and lesson.

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I agree, but not really for the reasons you listed. Honestly, this girl does NOTHING! I mean nothing! She doesn't make a single choice, she just does what people tell her to do or plan for her from beginning to end. She lives her life by following the path of least resistance. Her sister plans for her to go to NY, the priest sends her to school, the landlady sends her to the dance, the boy pursues her, she doesn't tell her mother because it's easier not to, the sister dies so she has to go back to Ireland, the boy basically forces her to get married, her friend sets her up with the new boyfriend etc etc etc. The only thing we know about her is she's very polite, that she does what she's told, she misses Ireland and that she doesn't like gossip.

IMO at the end when she goes back to Brooklyn she does it not because of either boy, but because she doesn't like the gossip and small town mentality, plus she'd already committed herself and basically there was no other choice to make because the choice had already been made. So yes, she went back because she married Tony, but it's more than because of that. She realized how awful some aspects of her hometown was. Before that she'd just romanticized it and being in NYC had changed her enough she didn't fit in anymore. So I like to think that her going back to NYC, admitting what she did to her mother, was her making her first choice in the whole movie, and it comes 3 minutes from the end . . . I feel bad for this girl, but I don't like her. She's a very pathetic person and it's impossible for me to like her.

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Hahah indeed. The movie was engaging but didn't pick up more until later in the movie. I agree, she was so passive and rather simple. But makes the story seem like real life in its simplicity. It got such praise and though I agree with the positive critiques, it still seems like the positive reviews were over-fluffing it.

The story is interesting if someone told you over a cup of tea, which is what this film felt like. Like a gentle story over w cup of tea. Though not everyone's cup of tea! Ah see what I did there? It would make an interesting backstory, more like a subplot, or like one book out of a series. Or a TV movie.

The gossip and small town mentality was about as deep as the movie goes. So we can fall in love with another place and grow into it and home is home. The End.

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She doesn't make a single choice


You yourself admit she makes a choice, though you attribute it to other people. The dilemma she lived with throughout the movie--home or new land, mother and sister or opportunity for self, known comforts or new risks--was broken when Miss Kelly unwittingly reminded her that she was never going to be happy with the narrow, provincial life of home. She sacrificed her mother in making her choice. That's hard for such a quintessential good girl. Good movies don't need to have spectacular heroes. They can remind us how hard it is to be an ordinary human with divided loves and loyalties.

There are no uninteresting things, only uninterested people. – G.K. Chesterton

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I read the book after seeing the movie and the book is even worse. Eilis is a jellyfish with no conscience. She wants to stay in Ireland, but she knows Jim Farrell is "conservative", would never understand her marriage and why she kept it quiet, and would probably not want a divorced woman. She knows she can't stay, but she drags her feet.

In the movie I get the impression Eilis would just have kept her mouth shut. The truth is, her marriage in New York wasn't consummated (she and Tony slept together before, but not afterwards), and could probably have easily been annulled in the Catholic church, under the circumstances of no consummation, and that she married him while in emotional distress over her sister. And even if the marriage WASN'T annulled, if not for Mrs. Kelly, who would know. She could have bigamously married Jim and nobody would be the wiser, and Tony probably would have gotten an annulment once he knew she was staying in Ireland.

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The truth is, her marriage in New York wasn't consummated (she and Tony slept together before, but not afterwards), and could probably have easily been annulled in the Catholic church, under the circumstances of no consummation, and that she married him while in emotional distress over her sister.
They weren't married in the Church, so the Catholic Church would not have regarded it as a marriage in the first place.

The State of New York would see it as a marriage but it could have been annulled in New York for the reason you gave.


Nobody (including the filmmakers) seem to find it incredibly unlikely that two Catholics would have a civil marriage like that, especially in the early 1950s.

It's not a marriage to the Church unless the Church does it. This is the bottom line.

I had assumed that they would have a Catholic wedding after she returned to New York.

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Yes, it's true that those are the mechanics of the story. But the tale has wider implications about the nature of leaving home and creating your own life. I found that to be a great metaphor. She was lured by the old comforts of home like any of us would be, and she has very good reason to feel that way. But it wasn't a life she created. It was the safe path. We should be asking ourselves how much she grew as a person from her experiences in America.

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Yes, it's true that those are the mechanics of the story. But the tale has wider implications about the nature of leaving home and creating your own life. I found that to be a great metaphor. She was lured by the old comforts of home like any of us would be, and she has very good reason to feel that way. But it wasn't a life she created. It was the safe path. We should be asking ourselves how much she grew as a person from her experiences in America

Yes, this.

A simple tale, but layered. Depth isn't always recognized around here, I've noticed.

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Thank you.

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I also thank both of you. I wonder if all the naysayers on this thread feel that their immigrant ancestors never experienced the conflicted longings that Eilis did.

There are no uninteresting things, only uninterested people. – G.K. Chesterton

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I had quite an opposite point of view - if you're interested, see my other posts on this board.

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The movie is a gentle treatment of the subject of choice. For most humans in most historical eras, the supposition was that life choices were severely restricted. You could choose which player on the rugby team to marry, but you had to marry someone on the rugby team. Rose could not really have chosen to leave her mother's side. Eilis can choose to go to America, but only under the careful watch of church, hand-picked landlady, and gossiping fellow boarders. This watch differs only in degree from the watch of the nasty storekeeper, nosey neighbors, and again the church in her Irish town. This is life as people have typically lived it, with the ties that "bind and gag." To Eilis, the decision to go to America, taken within these accepted limitations, is a big deal. It is one of those limited choices she gets to make Another choice she is allowed to make is to marry the plumber. Again this choice is within the acceptable range of men who come to church dances, a marginally broader spectrum of humanity than the men on the village rugby team. Remaining single is not considered a good choice; you are shown the horde of single men at the church Christmas dinner, unhappy Rose who sacrifices her future to support the mother and the unhappy deserted wife co-boarder; loneliness or lack of fulfillment is shown as the expected fate of people who don't marry. Once Eilis chooses to marry she is forced to realize that she does not get to choose again in this society. The fact that it is the villain of the plot who forces her to this realization does not make the realization less accurate. One Eilis is "brought to her senses" she is reconciled to her fate because she buys into a system in which choices are NOT unlimited; like most people she buys into this world of limited choices in which the reward is social support and community respect.

Rose's death struck me as a suicide that the community chose to treat as a "secret illness."

NB I wondered why the writers allowed the priest to pay Eilis' tuition at Brooklyn College when Brooklyn College was free in 1952.

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nice discussion
and thank you sbleboff

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sbleboff-163-707319 said:
Rose's death struck me as a suicide that the community chose to treat as a "secret illness."


Not me. The sister, Rose, looked unwell the last letter we saw her reading. I thought watching the scene, "The sister's sick and that's why she has to go back to Ireland." Wasn't expecting the sister's sudden death, but I do think the filmmakers set up the sister being sick.

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As I read somewhere this film was a coming of age story and I thought it was beautiful. I could relate to a lot of the story. . . leaving home, getting my first job, first love, etc. It was revealing of what choices one makes in young adulthood and how they might affect your life. Very well done.

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I agree with you totally. She would have stayed in Ireland if her old boss didn't find out she was married. She only confessed to her mom because word would get out she got married in America.

Eilise is a coward who got caught lying (well not lying per se, but omission of the truth that she is married) and is running away so she won't feel any shame or judgment in Ireland.

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I totally agree, OP.

What was disappointing to me was not Eilis' ambivalence about her feelings toward each of these two men, but her failure to justify to herself even in the end the reason for her final choice of which life to lead and who to lead it with. Instead of examining her feelings about this life-altering decision, it appeared that she left Ireland and chose Brooklyn out of guilt regarding Miss Kelly's remarks and not out of genuine appreciation or nostalgia for Tony (who, until the end, it seemed did not weigh on her mind in Ireland).

All of this seemed to hint at a sense of regret on Eilis' part for hastily getting married to Tony. Instead, I wished she had been stronger in rebuffing Tony's insistence that they marry IMMEDIATELY before she went to Ireland. If so, the trip to Ireland, and the subsequent interactions with Jim, would have eventually forced her to make a more thoughtful decision based on choice, not obligation. That element of willful choice, which was absent, would have been more satisfying to see for me personally.

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Yes, would have been interesting to see what choice she would have made if she hadn't married Tony. I really enjoyed the film, I thought it was quite mature in it's telling and refreshing in this day and age. I think people forget or just don't realise who little choice and how suffocating life often was back then and in those communities.

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I disagree- when she went back to Ireland she put her life in Brooklyn and Tony away in the back of her mind and played a what if game. Reading Tony's letters was too upsetting and she let herself get drawn in to what her life could be there. Miss Kelly burst her bubble and reminded her just how provincial and small minded her hometown was. She perhaps entertained the idea of staying and marrying Jim for a quick minute, but came to her senses.

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