Why do white europeans think it's ok to steal the Mexican culture?
That opening scene is the worst example of cultural appropriation I've ever witnessed
shareBecause "White" films should not showcase "Mexican" culture.
Pretty smart.
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Because "White" films should not showcase "Mexican" culture.
Pretty smart.
No, they shouldn't!!! it's WRONG! it's RACIST! it's appropriation! what have Daniel Graig and Sam Mnedes done for Mexicans? *beep* NOTHING! and what's with the quotes? Dia de los muertos IS Mexican culture share
Well, I didn't use quotes on showcase.
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Dia de los muertos IS Mexican cultureActually, the Mexican holiday is called Día de Muertos (without the "los") in Mexico and other Spanish-speaking countries. "Dia de los muertos" is an (incorrect) back-translation of the phrase "Day Of The Dead", by Americans (and other non-Spanish speakers) who don't speak Spanish very well. Ironically, the fact that most people in English-language threads/forums refer to the holiday as "Dia de los muertos" is a perfect illustration of the appropriation argument that you bring up.
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I'm honestly baffled by this entire thread... Do you even know what cultural appropriation means? Based on your comment I have to assume not. Depicting a cultural element in a movie is in no way, shape, or form appropriation of that culture. It would only meet that definition if that entire sequence was taking place in a predominantly white/European location, and featuring all white/European actors, and seeming to imply that it was an element of white/European culture. What we see in this case is the depiction of a holiday celebration taking place in Mexico, featuring Mexican actors, doing exactly what you would expect a group of Mexicans to be doing at that celebration. It is almost the polar opposite of appropriation. Your complaint fails on literally every single level.
sharedoing exactly what you would expect a group of Mexicans to be doing at that celebration.OP's point is that the scene does not depict how Mexicans behave at that celebration, but rather how Americans and/or (Northern-)Europeans would behave (or what Hollywood assumes, incorrectly, how Mexicans would behave) at such a celebration. In other words, Hollywood is reshaping the definition of this particular Mexican holiday to its own tastes/cultural trends/ideas of how to celebrate festive holidays. And that would indeed be cultural appropriation.
But ironically, the OP herself was not aware of the correct Spanish name of the Mexican holiday and rather used a (back-)translation of the English name (or maybe it was just a slip of the tongue).
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Fair enough, I'll readily admit to not being an expert on how this holiday is exactly celebrated. However, I still don't think this fits the bill of appropriation. A scene in a fictitious movie which portrays a particular event is hardly "reshaping the definition" of that event. By that definition, you would then also have to argue that British culture has been appropriated, because James Bond's behavior is not indicative of all Brits. Or that the "culture" of British intelligence has also been appropriated. I would say this would only fit the bill of being appropriation if the movie claimed to be giving a factual representation, or if it claimed to be expert on the culture, or if the whole scene took place in a country that was dominated by white Europeans and did not traditionally celebrate the holiday. I think people are getting a little too loose in throwing around these kinds of terms. Its just a movie for entertainment's sake, I hardly think there is any underlying cultural statement behind it. Except for maybe making a statement on the cultural iconism of the character himself.
shareOP's point is that the scene does not depict how Mexicans behave at that celebration, but rather how Americans and/or (Northern-)Europeans would behave (or what Hollywood assumes, incorrectly, how Mexicans would behave) at such a celebration.We all get it. It's a movie. It may not be 100% accurate. It's over the top.
A movie doesn't accurately represent the way something happens in reality?
Shocking.
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^this
And just another thought, but really look at what OP seems to be suggesting. Apparently he thinks that movies featuring white characters can only include depictions of things that are historically considered to be "white" culture. And apparently only a Mexican movie featuring Mexican actors can portray this holiday. I guess appropriation is bad, but basically telling all ethnicities to "stick to your own kind" is just fine? I'm so confused by some people's understanding of the world...
Because the spanish name of the celebration is completely irrelevant, since this is an indigenous celebration. Spanish is just a language imposed to our people when the invaders arrived
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