So i thought this was a decent movie, few scares and probably worth the trip to the movies. However, i have a few issues with it. I really didn't get the Doors references. I felt like it was really cliche and cheesy, that these demonic spirits are using Jim Morrison quotes to communicate.
Also, 2 other little things...who was the dude with the blood all over his face that kept popping up everywhere? When he was watching the security tapes it happened, and in his daughters room. Never got an explanation. They also never followed up with that girl escaping the mental asylum. She was crawling with the keys, indicating that she was gonna let out the other inmates, but nothing.
In a society that has destroyed all adventure, the only adventure left is to destroy that society.
Agreed 1000%. I love The Doors and was very unhappy at the use of their music. It definitely made it cheesier but it was already a cheesy movie. I think the only thing in the entire movie that was scary was the long shot of Santino in the interrogation room when the head started to bleed. There was little if any sound and just his crazy eyes and face dripping with blood.
I'm just chiming in to second your opinion about the use of The Doors but, for me, one of the worst movies I've seen in a long time.
Can't explain the doors references, but the guy that kept popping up with blood on his face did get explained.
It was Marvin, the guy that he beat to death, the pedophile guy that was also charged with two murders of children. That was the evil that was "eating away at him," and that kept coming back to haunt him.
The possessed chick that escaped the asylum was the chick that jumped off the roof when Eric Bana was driving and she smashed into the windshield.
Yeah, they used all of The Doors references as ways to reference doors and portals into the real world. That was explained. The guy, Santino, with the blood on his face was possessed from the very beginning when they found the writing in Iraq. The girl who escaped from the mental asylum was under Santino's influence so she killed herself by jumping off the roof and landed on Sarchie's car. That was explained. Did you even watch?
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Clearly I did watch, Im sorry that the movie didnt do a fantastic job of getting these points across.
I just highly doubt that a demon who can speak in ancient latin, and is connected to the underworld and what not would use a 60's rock band to convey his message.
And the girl who jumped off the hospital seemed like a cop out. They showed her crawling with the doctors keys, implying she might let out the other psycho's, but instead they just have her jump off the building and end of story. No one even mentioned her again after that.
In a society that has destroyed all adventure, the only adventure left is to destroy that society.
Spot on about the music. The Doors music seemed forced. It may have worked as background music or played over the credits (Doors songs can be atmospheric and creepy). I understood the static and the children's voices, but why on earth would a ancient demon drop 60's rock music into the cop's head? Maybe if Doors music had been tied to significant or horrific memory, it may have worked. In the end, a minor blemish on a good film.
I totally agree...as much as I love The Doors & the genius of Mr. Morrison, I thought this immediately undercut the credibility of the film, it did seem cheap and contrived and it sort of linked The Doors to satanic forces which I find appalling. As much as I loved the caliber of the acting (Eric Bana is one of the most under-utilized actors in the film industry), this one just felt lopsided and the quickie exorcism ending just felt played out in this film. I liked the way he used sound & sound fx throughout. It's a decent film but this just fell short compared to the utter horror masterpiece that was "Sinister". When I saw Bruckheimer's name during the credit roll that explained alot...this was just too Hollywood compared to the indie feel of "Sinister". Does anyone know how/why the woman went from busting out of custody straight to landing on top of Bana's car ? That was just a cheap gag. I felt like I missed a reel in the last half of the flick.
I looked at the Doors music as a way for the viewer to hear or understand Sarchie's "radar" and the doors songs were a way that his semi-psychic powers, or whatever you want to call it, were telling him that there was Evil trying to "Breakthrough," basically the songs were an Allegory, but since Sarchie was not overtly psychic he had to "decode" the message for himself from the music which was a way for his powers to manifest into something that was familiar to him. It seemed like the same thing with his static/kids on the Radio that only he could hear, he had to decode the message that his "Radar" was trying to tell him, and he had to face his guilt to understand the message before it became clear. Sarchie's "Radar" used different methods to try and warn/give Sarchie a message, like when supposed spirits give psychics clues through everyday objects that somehow relate to what they are trying to uncover. That is how his "radar" spoke to him. Basically this was Sarchies psychic dowsing power and it would grow stronger the closer he got to the source, so when they actually did the exorcism it was so overwhelming because he was in close proximity to the source. At least that is my convoluted take on the whole thing. The priest does explain at some point that Sarchie is a "receiver" and that is why he is so intuitive to bad things assuming he has some heightened psychic ability. The lady falling on Sarchie's car was a way for the evil to get Sarchie's attention and draw him home, also it was evil so it killed people just like the guy in the basement who killed himself after painting the house. Plus it wanted to enflame the priest by killing one of his people, two birds with one stone sorta thing. I could be wrong, I am married so that does tend to happen quit frequently, me being wrong I mean.
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jadr-3 writes: "basically the songs were an Allegory..."
The songs were symbolic of the portals that allowed the demon to enter the material world.
To call them "an Allegory", I think, is wrong. An allegory is more complex; it consists of multiple symbols and personifications that run through an entire work. There doesn't seem to be an allegory in this film.
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According to Merriam-Webster an "Allegory: is a symbolic Representation." The songs were "symbolic representations" used by Sarchie's Radar to get the point across to him through something that was familiar to him. Because Red blinking Signs that say "the painter from the lion den is creating devil portals" would be too obvious. Practically every Doors song is a Poem, and has deeper meaning beyond the basic words of the song. Jim Morrison considered himself a poet. Therefore I argue that my use of the term "Allegory" is correct in this case. Symbol is too simple a term since the songs were attempting to convey a point, that Evil was trying to "break on Through" and being used as a representation, to show the audience what Sarchie's Radar was like.
Too much writing about the music, wtf? i love the doors, i'm a big fan of them, and i didn't care the use of their music on this movie. Could have been joy division, pink floyd, i don't care. You focus on something that should not be of great importance. How much of this story has really happened? I liked the movie,it's an ok movie, thanks to Sean Harris, Eric Bana and Edgar Ramirez. I'm tired of *beep* movies like Saw and Purge.
Forreal. The use of music in a film can make all the difference, and had they tied the music in more effectively than i wouldnt have minded. It wasnt that they were just using the music to "set the mood" but rather as if the Demon liked the Doors or something and was just *beep* around with the characters.
In a society that has destroyed all adventure, the only adventure left is to destroy that society.
Oh god it's that evil hippie music that talks about greater awareness, living without killing and hurting each other by transcending the human animal and getting along with other people. Like before they might just drop out again of the growing dog crap empire of all for the few and all for us and none for you now go fight me a another war.
It's just the internalized value system of Hollywood and the wealth that indirectly defines it. The actors were good but the movie was hokey, well done but just a repeat of the genre. A cold industrialized soundtrack would have worked better; black metal fine. The Doors took me out of the movie. They should have copied the Exorcist 3 for scary evil and George C for the cop.
I was looking forward to the release of this movie. I must be careful with first impressions out of trailers, I thought it would be a good movie, or at least worth watching. Now, I am soooo glad I spent a good deal playing on my tablet and chatting on my cell, otherwise it would've been a complete waste of time. I'd like to recommend to people praising "acting" and plot, to go back and revisit The Exorcist, The Amityville horror, and basic things like The Shining and Poltergeist, so that you can see how bad this movie is.
Then, the part that offends me the most -as a fan of The Doors- , is their using this great band's songs to imply a link with demonic forces. Yes, I am well aware that Jim Morrison might've been involved in some Wicca rituals via Patricia Keneally, but still, that does not make Riders on the storm, Break on through, The End, People are strange, songs that speak of any kind of evil. Whoever chose to use these songs with this purpose is nothing but an ignorant, close-minded, conservative sheep. At least in other movies they've tried to remix the song, because yes, The Doors music could definitely portray and transmit chaotic atmospheres - Not to touch the Earth for example-, or The End in Apocalypse now; but neither the Sound mixer, Mr. O'mara T.J., nor the composer of the "original" movie of the film, Christopher Young, had the brightest idea of doing something other than playing the Doors song as they sound in the CD. Bravo maestro! And you got paid for inserting their music like a cellphone playing an mp3!!
On the other hand, it worries me that we the recent dead of Ray Manzarek, the remaining two members had agreed to this usage of their music due to money problems, I mean, can't they remaster their albums and re-release them like Jimmy Page is doing with Led Zeppelin's? Just a thought.
If you value your time and really like horror movies do not watch this movie. I repeat, DO NOT watch it. I will not watch any Eric Bana's movies from now on, seriously, in Troya I thought he had a chance, now, I wish he becomes a news presenter or a weather anchorman. Seriously...
I grew up with The Doors, and the music made me like the movie even more. Maybe the demons used it to mess with people, or the main character liked them and the demon used it to talk instead of speaking in a different language. What's fun about horror movies is that things don't have to be explained or spoon fed to people. Watch it again, and make your own theories.
Wicca or Pagan is mostly just an earthy religion, and not some demonic Satan voodoo thing.
What's wrong with using The Doors anyway? I'd rather hear them instead of some fake punk band that new horror movies do these days. Also The Doors already released remasters of all their albums with new mixes, and songs. So I don't think John and Robbie are broke even without re-releases. Maybe some young people would think the music is good and get into it.
I've been listening to The Doors for a long time and I think this is the first time I have ever heard the full version of the lyrics "she gets high" (during the credits). I knew it had been cut out of their albums, at least the ones I've heard. I guess I never sought it out to have actually heard it before.
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