Boarding the governors ship - Black Sails (2014) Discussion

[–] chrismackey1972 8 years ago

Agreed. I thought Jack surrendering the entire ship was just stupid. I could understand Teach and Bonny being in the first wave of pirates to board the ship. But that was the ONLY wave to board it. That was stupid and inconsistent with any other time pirates boarded ships in this series. And I hated they killed Teach like that. It seemed so anti-climatic when thinking of how the real one died, going down in a blaze of glory.

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[–] RomaVictorrrr 8 years ago

They've been "anti-climactic" with Blackbeard since he first showed up. Maybe there are so many incarnations of the character that they didn't want theirs to overshadow other characters. I don't know. But at least we got to see a keelhaul, even if it didn't move me emotionally.

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[–] chrismackey1972 8 years ago

True, Roma. I never saw one shown like that before. Any of the other keelhauls I've seen in various movies and series was when rope was tied to a guy's wrists, and he was thrown overboard, getting dragged beside the ship

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[–] blackferret-1 8 years ago

I agree that surrendering was stupid. They still had the advantage. All it takes is for Rackam to say "If you kill Teach, then you have no hostage and we blow you to bits, so just surrender."

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[–] clickbait (193) 8 years ago

Jack gave up the ship cause he thought Rogers would only capture them and bring them back to nassau and he didnt want blackbeards crew to start shooting when Anne was onboard the ship, he would never do anything to put her in harms way, that is why he surrendered that quickly....if you knew anything about character development after watching 4 seasons, you would be able to understad why he gave up the ship...

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[–] benelli86 8 years ago

I agree it didn't make any sense whatsoever.

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[–] grumbs64 8 years ago

The boarding and the surrender both seemed stupid to me, way more stupid than Teach and Rackham had been portrayed prior.

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[–] clickbait (193) 8 years ago

Jack gave up the ship cause he thought Rogers would only capture them and bring them back to nassau and he didnt want blackbeards crew to start shooting when Anne was onboard the ship, he would never do anything to put her in harms way, that is why he surrendered that quickly....if you knew anything about character development after watching 4 seasons, you would be able to understad why he gave up the ship...

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[–] MillerJones (526) 3 years ago

Correct the hint is when Jack is in his office and they are talking Jack mentions about reading his book as if that means he completely understands the man and Rogers even stated about that was what people wanted to hear which Jack didn't appear to care to listen.

Rogers figured Jack out and learn how weak he is.

It was still poor writing had Jack opened fire Rogers would of either died or surrendered it was all about making a drama about Blackbeards defiant to the end which needed to up Vanes death plus showing dark side of Rodgers to achieve his goal.

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[–] Cotton-mouth 8 years ago

Rackham was specifically asked by Teache's men should they reload and fire another volley. Unfortunately, the Rackham desists at this. Makes no sense whatsoever. Seems like the treatment of Teach was the result of a last minute decision to make this S4 the final season.

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[–] valdrick15 8 years ago

No, Jack only made sure by destroying the sails that the ship would go nowhere. They wanted to capture the governor, not to kill him - yet. They understimated the number of soldiers that the governor took with him.

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[–] Cotton-mouth 8 years ago

Even SO, once it was clear that they were overpowered, Rackham should have totally obliterated them firing upon them relentlessly. Because it was obvious that Woodes wouldn't let them live.

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[–] danconia 8 years ago

Yeah the tactic made no sense. I want to love this show so much but it's hard to figure out what is going on and why, even when they are trying to spell it out for us.

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[–] RomaVictorrrr 8 years ago

That was an EMBARRASSING defeat.

Someone has to know what reason they'd have for not just destroying the ship or why send such a small group.

Was the other ship too low to board the usual way? Were they only hoping to capture Woodes and not kill him? (The fans on reddit say it's either cockiness on Blackbeard's part or just weak writing setting up the Blackbeard defeat.)

No threats from Jack. No warnings. No attempt at negotiation. Just raise the white flag?

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[–] chrismackey1972 8 years ago

Jack never did have the strongest spine for a fight, but at least he used to be something of a strategist. And his best strategy was "hey! They got our captain. Let's all surrender and face the death sentence with him." Bad writing. I know this is the last season of Black Sails, but they should respect the characters AND the audience to the end. Such a pathetic way to kill Blackbeard.

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[–] Nethlem 8 years ago

Jack never did have the strongest spine for a fight, but at least he used to be something of a strategist.

He's also been set up as a somewhat competent negotiator who has a way with words, that's why all of that made even less sense. He didn't even try to negotiate with the governor, neither when Teach got captured nor while Teach got keelhauled. The way Jack acted it was a complete loss, he didn't even establish any terms for the surrender. Sure the governor had hostages, but he was gonna kill them anyway, so Jack might as well just have shot all of them to pieces or threaten to do so to stop the governor from hurting any of the hostages.

The governor's behavior also didn't make all that much sense, at least not after the conversation he had with the general where he complained about the "cowardly and needless shot" that killed his brother.

Jack didn't shoot any "cowardly and cheap shots", yet the governor decided to keelhaul/kill all of them? At least until Teach survived it three times. That doesn't sound like somebody who's big on "manners", it felt way out of character for the governor who used to be quite reasonable, it also made that whole conversation with the general feel pointless.

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[–] akenworthy87 8 years ago

It was a terrible fight, a demonstration of complete lack of tactics.

But then ten minutes later they have another fight that demonstrates and even worse lack of tactics with the English captain losing the city because of what? Stupid pride?

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[–] ironduke74 8 years ago

A British General lost far more at saratoga because of even worse stupidity

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[–] clickbait (193) 8 years ago

Jack gave up the ship cause he thought Rogers would only capture them and bring them back to nassau and he didnt want blackbeards crew to start shooting when Anne was onboard the ship, he would never do anything to put her in harms way, that is why he surrendered that quickly....if you knew anything about character development after watching 4 seasons, you would be able to understad why he gave up the ship...

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[–] christianhgrey 8 years ago

I know, I hated how they killed Blackbeard off. He died the coolest way in history and they *beep* it up with that scene. They really didnt do that much with blackbeard in the series. Its a little disappointing

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[–] Androctus 8 years ago

One thing I found cool about his death in the show, there are a lot of legends surrounding Teach and his death, one of which was his corpse swimming around the ship three times after he was killed. Well, he did in fact swim AROUND that ship THREE times.

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[–] LongCarbine 8 years ago

They really lost me here. When I saw the white flag, I though Rackham would negotiate. Even if he wanted to surrender, the crew of pirates would never surrender, no way. The whole scene makes zero sense. It's insulting

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[–] RomaVictorrrr 8 years ago

Didn't it feel like there were a few bit moments missing. Like Jack being conflicted over whether or not to negotiate for his lady love or to blow the other ship to smithereens and then actually making the decision so we can understand it and feel it.

Instead of just seeing him with a dumb look on his face with the white flag behind him and cutting to him in shackles never having said anything.

People are complaining about it being an anti-climactic moment for Teach. I think it's the character Jack who was shortchanged by that rushed scene.

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[–] faceless-man 8 years ago

I absolutely agree. Everything about Blackbeard's death was just stupid. I'm not sure what they have planned for later on but it seems that they really wanted the pirates to lose this battle and by doing that, it was the show that lost.

Overall, they kinda *beep* on the Blackbeard character. He had like a couple of badass scenes since he showed up but in the end they made him look like a dumb loser. As a viewer, I didn't feel like he earned his reputation. And yeah, while they keelhauled him, although he refused to die, a part of me was like "THIS is Blackbeard?" He was better in the video game.

Which would be worse - to live as a monster, or to die as a good man? 

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[–] masewindu2 8 years ago

i was thinking why didnt they just sink the ship, or set it on fire.

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[–] clickbait (193) 8 years ago

Cause Blackbeard wanted a fight....he didnt burn his enemies, he killed them in sword fights....

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