Season 4 is on the way
https://deadline.com/2021/02/true-detective-hbo-in-talks-writers-season-4-new-voices-1234691756/
Enjoy. I dumped this mess of a show in S3.
The best season was S3.
shareI'm genuinely curious why you pick that over season 1
shareI'm curious as to what trap you are going to pull if I give you a straight answer, but, here goes ...
That's easy, it was the most original and unique detective story I've seen in years.
Don't you get tired of series about weirdo killers and often even weirder detectives telling virtually the same old stories? Detective sucks lollypops, detective wears crumpled raincoat and acts stupid, detective drives Ferrari with English butler, detective lives in trailer by the beach, detective works for the Navy, detective has pretty girl partner, detective is blind with heightened senses, detective has trouble past with murdered prostitute mother ... all recycled plots with some trivial twist. Weirdo fetish murderers that don't exist in reality (mostly), and public violence that is just fake, or, story opens with mutilated murdered women in provocative pose with photographers taking picture of her while detective comes on scene. Maybe I've seen more TV than you, but the normal stuff just bores me.
But also Mahershala Ali and Stephen Dorff both acted the shit out of roles that stretch over decades of a very interesting story, well into old age - in a story that is conceivable and had a point and a fresh way to look at things. Not only did I like this, but it was brilliant and many levels.
Among some of the other series I've recently found are Fortitude, Trapped and Occupied, though they are foreign series, and Occupied is not strictly a detective series. There is too much good TV out there to waste time of cliche fan-boy stuff, though S1 and S2 were not really bad, I liked them, but they were forgettable ... I've forgotten them - but I do remember from S2 that Vince Vaughn could play a pretty good heavy. I remember watching S1 and kind of waiting for it to be over with.
No trap I'm being genuine here
I'm not denying Ali and Dorff both were good but were they on the same level as McConaughey and Harrelson? No
And season 1 had the better story plus how it tied into the King in the Yellow one of my favorite gothic/eldritch horror books was amazing.
Both were better seasons than the crap season 2 was
>> I'm not denying Ali and Dorff both were good but were they on the same level as McConaughey and Harrelson? No
Surprise, I guess we have a difference of agreement here. Even if I were to agree with you, the writing and the story would make the difference and again, to me, the writing and the story are what is important. I don't like to see movies as the territory of actors; actors are interchangeable to me, and a producer and director allocate budget and though to the actors, but actors are just puppets onscreen. Hitchcock said something of the sort about actors being furniture, I think.
The story for S1, to me, was the weakest and most cliche. S2 was more interesting because the plot was slightly better and Vaughn was a real SOB, but S3 was in a whole new realm. It death with the reality of a lot of police work in that it never gets solved, or solved right, and it also dealt brilliantly with old age and dementia a major contemporary social concern. Ever had relatives with Alzheimer's and seen what that is? S1 or S2 to just have well been an season of Bosch. People who are fans of Titus Welliver think it was the best thing ever.
Agree to disagree
Season 1 had an intriguing story that spanned decades and showed how the elite cover for themselves in their depravity. Plus Rust Cohle is without a doubt one of the best characters ever portrayed on screen. The fact Matthew McConaughey wrote hundreds of pages of his backstory and why he is the way he is, is a testament to his skill as an actor.
You go on about how actors are just actors then you praise the actors in season 2 and 3 LOL
Consistent? You're not
And I think you are rationalizing because you have a connection to the backstory than others do not, which makes you not see what is in front of your nose.
> showed how the elite cover for themselves in their depravity.
I can't believe you honestly think a TV show can make some kind of accurate political statement? I can give you an actual list of books to read that with explain that in much more detail with real examples.
LOL you don't think TV as well as books can make political statements? Do you think movies can? Comics? Any medium can make such statements that's what art does if it is made to do so.
>rationalizing because you have a connection to the backstory than others do not,
Once again a projection. Did you not say you liked season 3 cause of Alzheimer's and you saw someone deal with that illness?
I was wrong about one thing though you certainly are consistent at projecting on others what you do
You have a "tell". We can all know when you have lost "it" ... and lost an argument when you start beginning comments with "LOL" and then you end with some kind of insult, like "you certainly are consistent at projecting on others what you do". I wonder why you don't feel ashamed of being so immature and sounding like a 5 year old I know you are but what am I?
You should drill it through your thick skull that "LOL" is not a fact, or an argument.
And accusing someone of something you cannot even define, and that you are doing yourself is also not a valid argument.
I never said that any media "COULD NOT" make political statements, just that they are so broad and fuzzy you have to be careful not to let your emotions mislead you into thinking something because you see it on TV or in the comics. ( like you do and when you show it by getting so overly emotional ).
All your BS could be avoided if you would ask a clarifying question when you don't understand what you read and/or you don't know what you are talking about.
> Did you not say you liked season 3 cause of Alzheimer's and you saw someone deal with that illness?
My point was this season had meaning that was not being treated dramatically or truthfully in other series or movies - and that would go double for crime and detective movies/TV. You put most of your energy and what little brainpower you have to work always trying to twist everything into BS Right-wing arguments.
Didn't insult you for once
I've pointed out how you are protecting and you're doing it again
How is Alzheimer's a "BS right wing argument"? Not once did I bring politics into this discussion, YOU did.
You make 0 sense pal and when you get called on your " BS" you go into long winded off topic diatribes that sound like the ravings of a mental unbalanced individual
I have to agree with the other guy.
Ali and Dorff, and Farrell and Vaughn shone in their respective seasons, not necessarily because they did a better job but the reality is that their characters in S2 and S3 are far more complex than McConaughey and Harrelson.
This doesn't mean the latter did poorly, but S1 was far more story oriented, while S2 and S3 character-driven (which is another reason why many fans of S1 would prefer it to the other two).
Plus Rust Cohle is without a doubt one of the best characters ever portrayed on screen. The fact Matthew McConaughey wrote hundreds of pages of his backstory and why he is the way he is, is a testament to his skill as an actor.
Ugh, the Rust Cohle worship is one of the cringiest things about the fandom to be honest. He was an eccentric, nihilist detective. It's not as amazing as he's often purported to be.
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Agree to disagree. Cohle was more than complex than you give credit for. He wasn't always the misanthrope we saw on screen and its very likely his daughter dying and his time undercover made him see the world the way he does. There's not a character in season 2 or 3 that comes close
shareAgree to disagree indeed.
Cohle was more than complex than you give credit for.
I'm fairly certain you don't know how complex I do regard Cohle. I mean,
He wasn't always the misanthrope we saw on screen and its very likely his daughter dying and his time undercover made him see the world the way he does.
I'm fully aware of this. That's not a nuanced interp.
There's not a character in season 2 or 3 that comes close
I doubt I can convince you at this point given the way you've phrased your responses, but keep in mind, the hundreds of pages McConaughey wrote do not directly correlate to the character we see on-screen. Literally, the way the show is written, I assume naysayers are going to be hardpressed to really demonstrate how the S1 characters can be more complex. The narratives in S2 and S3 are a function of the characters themselves (and again, most criticisms about S2 and S3 are about this).
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And you think any of the other characters are as nuanced as Rust?
450 pages of who and what Rust is and you don't believe any of that correlates to what we see on screen? It's every bit of what we see on screen it's literally who he is before and during the times we watch him.