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Vikings were NOT unconquerable supermen?


They were expert warriors but for those watching the show with little knowledge of actual history, the show's bias is obvious. Far from winning most of their battles in England, it was probably more a 30-40% success rate, unlike the show. Viking losses in Britain-

Raid at Jarrow (794)
Battle of Carhampton (836)
Battle of Hingston Down (838) Cornwall between a combined force of Cornish and Vikings on the one side, and West Saxons led by Egbert, King of Wessex on the other
Battle of Southampton (840) Earldorman Wulfheard fought “37 ships” of Danes and “made great slaughter” and defeated them, but died soon after (of wounds?)
Battle of Parret (845) Earldorman Eanulf’s men of Somerset unite with Bishop Ealstan and earldorman Osric’s Dorsetmen fought the Danes at the Thames rivermouth. Amidst great slaughter, the English win.
Battle of Aclea (851) King Athelwulf and aethling Athelbald led the W.Saxons against the Danes. In a fierce battle the English “made the greatest slaughter of a heathen host ever heard of”
Battle of Sandwich (a naval battle) 851 earl Aethelstan and earl Ealhere vs Vikings
Battle of Wicgeanbeourg 851 earl Ceorl vs the "heathens":
Battle of Winchester (860) A vast Danish fleet landed (where?) and ravaged inland. This vital burh, Anglo-Saxon capital of England – is attacked and “destroyed”, but Athelwulf and earldorman Osric- with the men of Berkshire and Hampshire respectively- engage the pagan army and after a fierce battle outside the town, put them to flight and the Saxons “held the field”
Battle of ?: 860 earls Osric and Aethelwulf vs Vikings
Battle of Englefield (871) Halfdan sent out a raiding party “two jarls with a great part of their force”. As they marched along the north bank of the Kennet reaching here (12m from their base) they were ambushed by the fyrd of Berkshire under Mercian earldorman Athelwulf. A fierce battle raged at first, but the Danes were broken and one of their jarls killed.
Battle of Ashdown (871) King Athelred I and brother Alfred (later, ‘Great’) win a massive victory over Halfdan
Battle of Countisbury Hill/Cynwit (878) Earl Odda of Devon defeated and killed Ubba Ragnarsson at a fort in Devon which Asser calls Cynwit;
Battle of Edington (878) King Alfred and the fyrds of Somerset, Wiltshire and part of Hampshire win a crushing victory over Guthrum.
Battle of Farnham (893) Prince Edward (later ‘the Elder’) defeated the Vikings under Haesten
Battle of Benfleet (893) Edward and brother-in-law Ethelred of Mercia (in command?) marched out of London at the head of a combined force of Wessex, west country fyrdsmen, London militia and Mercians.
Battle of Buttingdon (893) Ethelred of Mercia, surrounded the entrenched Danes in the fort here on three sides- Here they besieged the Danes for several weeks, content to let their beleaguered enemies fester and weaken until they reached the point where they were starving and ate their own horses.
Finally, unable to take any more, the desperate Danes broke out eastwards through the Saxon lines in a desperate attempt to make for their base at Essex. But few escaped, as most were slaughtered by the waiting allies.
Battle of Chichester: 894 "town-dwellers" vs the "force"
Battle of Strathcarron. (904). Constantine caught up with Ivar at Strathcarron in 904 AD, and, in a bitter struggle, Ivar and his Viking army were massacred.
Battle of Tettenhall (910) A fierce battle ensued and King Edward the Elder killed a great many of them, according to the Chronicle, "many thousands of men". Also fell brother co-Kings of York Eowils and Healfden (905-10); Earls Ohter and Scurf; Governors Agmund, Othulf, and Benesing; Anlaf the Swarthy, and Governor Thunferth; Osferth the collector, and Governor Guthferth.
Battle of ? 914: Wessex and Mercia vs the "force" from Northumbria; attacked Vikings from behind on their way home from a raid: heavy casualties mentioned
Battle of Archenfield (914) After a fierce battle, the Danes broke and were routed, having lost two chiefs and a huge number of men.
Battle of Tempsford (917) Edward and Aethelflaed sustained their fierce Wessex/Mercian assault upon the Danish/Norse armies. The English army, led by the king, stormed the Viking-held town here and in vicious fighting killing the last Danish king of East Anglia, Guthrum II, was killed along with many commanders (incl the Jarls Toglos and Manna).
Towchester: 917 the borough vs the "force": Vikings could not break in and left:
Bedford: 917 townsmen of Bedford vs the "force"; townsmen came outside:
Wigingamere: 917 "force" vs the boroughmen inside; Vikings left off but took the cattle:
Maldon: 917 "great force" from East Anglia allied with "vikings": besieged the town until outside forces came to relieve it: gave up siege: townsmen and "those outside" pursued and attacked:
Battle of Stamford (918). King Edward the Elder assaulted Stamford in late May 918. It soon fell to his army of Wessex.
Battle of Brunanburh (937) King Athelstan, with the army of Wessex

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Whereas their victories in Britain (and Ireland) are-

Raid at Lindisfarne (793)
Battle (in Scotland) 839
Battle at Portland (840)
Romney Marsh (841) earl Herebryht vs the Danes
Carhampton (843) king Aethelwulf vs "heathens"
Battle of ? (851) king Brihtwulf of Mercia vs the "heathens" (crews of 350 ships)
Battle at York (867) King Aelle of Northumbria vs The ‘’Great Army’’
Battle of Thetford 870 king (St) Edmund vs "force"
Battles of Basing; Meretun; Reading; Wilton & three more unnamed, all in 871
Battle of Dollar (875) Scotland
Battle at Crail (877). Halfdan again beats the Scots and kills Constantine
"fort on the Lea": 895 Londoners ("city-dwellers") and "other people" vs Vikings
Battle of the Holme (902). Edward the Elder ravaged East Anglia and the Danish army was forced to return to defend its own territory. Edward then retreated, but the men of Kent disobeyed the order to retire, and they met the Danes at the battle of the Holme.
campaign in Northumbria: 909 - troops from Wessex and Mercia vs the northern "force"
943 Tamworth: king Olaf vs townsmen:
948 Castleford: a siege (?); the "force" at York "overcame the king's troops left behind" there: Vikings won.
Battle of ??? (952) in Northumbria. Erik Bloodaxe vs Scots/Northumbrians
980 Southhampton: the "force" killed and enslaved the town-dwellers "for the most part": Vikings won.
982 London was burnt: Vikings won.
Battle of Maldon (991). Olaf Trygvasson defeated Earl Brythnoth of Essex.
992 ?: naval battle: ships of London and East Anglia vs the "force"; Vikings won.
993 Bamburgh: destroyed: Vikings won.
999 Rochester: kentish vs the "force"; Vikings won.
Battle of Dean (1001) - Hampshire vs Danes: Vikings won (though they took heavier casualties).
Battle at Pinhoe (1001) - "Kola the high-reeve" and "Eadsige the reeve" vs the "force"
1006 Kennet: "the army" vs the "force": Vikings won.
1006 Wallingford: town burnt down; Vikings won.
1009 Oxford burnt down: Vikings won.
Battle of Nairn (1009) Scotland
Battle of Ringmere (1010). The East Anglian fyrd took flight, leaving the muster from Cambridgeshire to stand firm in their absence. However they were broken after a time leaving North-East Mercia exposed to the Danes
1010 Ipswich (first day of Ascension): earl Ulfcytel and east Anglians vs the "force": Vikings won.
1010 in Cambridgeshire: killed: Athelstan (king Aethelred's son-in-law), his son Oswi, et al "and many other good thanes, countless folk": Vikings won.
1010 Thetford: assault: town burnt down: Vikings won.
1010 Cambridge: assault: town burnt down: Vikings won.
1011 Canterbury: siege: betrayed through treachery; archbishop Aelfheah captured (later martyred): Vikings won.
Battle of Clontarf (1014) Ireland. the last major battle involving Vikings
Battle of Fulford (1066) Harald Hardrada beats an army under Earls Edwin and Morcar

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Can you please supply the numbers of Vikings versus Saxons on both sides of the conflicts you list? This is not at all a challenge. I am curious to know, and assume that you have the information already in hand. Thank you.

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I'd say that such royal arse-kickings won't be in the upcoming series of Vikings?

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English victories cont's...

944 campaign in Northumbria: "King Edmund overcame all Northumbrian lands in his power, and drove out the two kings Olaf and Raegnald": Anglo-Saxons won.
945 campaign in Cumberland: "King Edmund ravaged all Cumberland": Anglo-Saxons won.
Battle of Stainmoor (954) Erik Bloodaxe and his men were slain here by Earl Oswulf of Northumbria.
994 Siege of London: king Aethelred vs Olaf and king Swein of Denmark; Anglo-Saxons won.
Battle at Thetford (1004). the Danes broke the truce and marched to Thetford where a part of the East Anglian fyrd engaged them. The Danes managed to escape.
1009 London besieged (often): Anglo-Saxons won.
Battle of Mortlach (1010) Malcolm II defeated the Vikings
Battle of Cambuston (1010) Malcolm II defeated the Vikings
Battles of Cruden (1012) The 'Battle of Cruden Bay occurred in the summer of 1012 in the North East of Scotland between Malcolm II and King Canute.
1013 siege of London: king Aethelred vs king Swein of Denmark: Anglo-Saxons won (but later submitted, and Aethelred fled to Normandy).
1016 siege of London: "force" dug a ditch and dike around town and attacked repeatedly: Anglo-Saxons won.
1016: Battle of Penselwood; Edmund Ironside defeated the Danes
Battle of Sherston; Edmund Ironside defeated the Danes
Battle of Tottenham; Edmund Ironside defeated the Danes
Battle of Brentford; Edmund Ironside defeated the Danes
Battle of Otford (all in 1016). Edmund Ironside defeated the Danes
Battle of Stamford Bridge (1066) King Harold II massacred the Norse invasion army under Harald Hardrada. Out of 300 ships, the survivors only needed 24 to sail away

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It is so funny that one of the best and more efficient human beings learn stuff is through watching and listening ... eyes and ears. TV is a natural medium for teaching people stuff ... and all we are teaching people to do is be violent, stupid, and anti-social.

Wouldn't it be great if these series were actually made to teach people history?

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You do realize they dramatize everything in tv shows, although it is true that legends about the Norse raiders were exaggerated all over the place, particularly in areas that had already suffered their wrath. In some ways, they weren't exaggerated.

However, despite their strength, excellent fighting skills, and sneaky tactics, the Vikings were their own worst enemies. They eventually stopped raiding after a few centuries because of inter-breeding with the locals caused the natives in parts of the UK and all over Europe to become stronger, developed better battle tactics and war tech, and were able to fend off Norse raids. It was a campaign that was destined to fall apart after a time.

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You do realize they dramatize everything in tv shows


Yes, hence my post!?

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They didn't keep up with battle tech either, just stayed with what worked before. They were elite skirmishers and raiders, but not great in pitched battles.

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Good post!

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Are there any ties?

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im a Norwegian historian. Vikings are a myth and cultural construction by wishful thinking americans

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A myth that raided cities throughout Europe (as far inland as Paris), terrorized England and discovered Iceland, Greenland and Canada?

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