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requires an understanding+thorough knowledge of classical art/philosophy


“One great part of human existence,” James Joyce wrote, “is passed in a state which cannot be rendered sensible by the use of wideawake language, cutanddry grammar and goahead plot.” Malick’s films are trying to catch glimpse of this “great part of human existence”. The task is surely bound to leave many viewers icily unmoved. Nevertheless, Malick’s moving-images have always been tediously and consciously chosen and meditated upon, they are far from arbitrary. Yet part of the reason for Malick’s recent ill reception is quite simply because he is making movies that assume an affinity with the traditional arts and philosophy, particularly those with deeply Christian elements. In a decidedly post-Christian world, Malick’s meaning-rich images will simply flitter by, unperceived and, possibly, unwanted. Critics are understandably at a cultural loss here; akin to an American child hearing Swahili for the first time, they simply mistake immediate incomprehension with empty gibberish. For example, before writing off the last scene of The Tree of Life as a Prozac commercial for heaven, perhaps critics ought to have read Dante’s Commedia, particularly canto thirty of Paradiso, and understood that Malick is doing something strikingly similar, conjuring up images directly from its pages. Malick’s films are chockfull of allusions, it’s as if James Joyce, Dante, and Kierkegaard sat down and decided to make a film together. The result is an inexhaustible treasure that rewards multiple viewings year after year."


If this movie appeared to be gibberish to you, fear not! You are not alone. I advise anyone that felt this way to read this piece a few times and look into the philosophers/writers and books being discussed. Enjoy:

http://www.curatormagazine.com/trevor-logan/kierkegaard-in-l-a-terrence-malicks-knight-of-cups/

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Bollocks.

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Awesome read. Thanks for posting.

"This life's hard, man, but it's harder if you're stupid!"

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Any film that requires previous study to watch is pretentious and is likely not worth a crap. Some of Malicks films are great, like poetry for the screen. His latest offerings feel more like parodies of himself than anything. Overly pondering, semi-narcissistic or pretentious. Tree Of Life is one of my all time favorite films but this one and To The WondTurd are just abysmal. From the ratings it appears most ppl would agree.

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I don't think it requires previous study, but it obviously helps, and there's nothing wrong with that. After all, what are art and film classes for if not to enrich one's understanding, and thus experience of, the forms? No piece of art exists in a vacuum, and so thus to have a better appreciation for it it is often necessary to understand the concomitant concepts - cultural, historical, religious, etc - that have helped inform it. That's the complete opposite of pretentious; that's erudite.

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nobody uses "pretentious" right. they just prefer it over "bad", because it's a nice way of saying something nice about yourself and at the same time bashing the movie.

"Apparently, your film didn't beat me, as I can still label it trash!"

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I'm not familiar with Kierkegaard etc. and I don't think one needs to be to enjoy the movie. I didn't find it difficult in any way, and I was mesmerized and deeply moved. However, all additional stuff is useful to learn, so thank you for that link. A very interesting piece.

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i think i mislabeled this originally as i posted it too quickly. you certainly do not have to be a philosophy expert to enjoy Malick's most recent work, but having an "affinity for the traditional arts an humanities" as it is put in this article certainly goes a long way to helping someone absorb these films.

i am truly saddened by the response this & To the Wonder have gotten. i believe Malick is onto something that few filmmakers have come close to hitting on since near the end of the silent era--indeed, he may be inventing a new form before our eyes. in 30 years, i genuinely believe these films will be taught in universities.

let us all be a little more dilligent, if we can, in trying to quell the backlash and give these movies at least some of their due while he's still alive and going at it!

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To The Wonder had some of the most moving images and emotion I've saw on a Big Screen in quite some time. As we move along with these characters and question their motives and intentions, we end up doing the same with our own lives... Much of what Malick does is to put us in the positions of questioning our own existence and purpose on this planet. Showing how small we are but yet, how we relate to the Bigger Picture that is Life. His films will be studied for years to come. The Thin Red Line and Tree of Life are Masterpieces IMO but even his lesser known and/or enjoyed work will find its place.

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I'm paraphrasing but Coppola once said something to the effect of "when you're rubbing so harshly against the grain of the conventional, modern culture, you must expect to be disliked". he said this about his Palme d'Or winning film "Apocalypse Now" (one of my favorite movies certainly)

so.....I think that applies here in some way. Malick doesn't owe his audience anything and he conducts himself that way because he can and because he is one of the greatest directors to ever live. i wonder if he's even aware of the reactions to his films. the man is a national treasure, regardless, and it sadly appears the fickle & TV-programmed public are completely out of tune and touch with what Malick is up to.

i hope he continues to insulate himself and make his films, shallow audiences be damned. these are for the history books, not for IMDb & 10 star rating systems etc.

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Well said.

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The problem is that allusions/references to other works are not interesting to watch on film. Simply making such allusions without providing compelling drama or raising new and interesting questions is going to be boring, whether you catch all the references or not. Malick's earlier work at least provided enough to hold most viewers' attention.

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True - similar to those 'comedies' who think a joke is making a pop culture reference and that's it.

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