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The Black and White looks questionable


Based on seeing the preview on the big screen, I am unimpressed with the use of black and white. It looks muddy and to be honest- cheap. The black and white in The Artist looked fantastic- even though it was shot in color and later converted to B/W. The BIG difference here:
Artist was shot on film while this was shot with the digital red system. Some pretty awesome films have been shot digitally, but they still haven't mastered the BW look. It's also the same with still photography: it's pretty easy easy for even a semi-trained eye to tell if a BW pic was shot on film or not. Something about the tonal qualities.
Someone should have told this to Whedon before he shot. If he wanted B/W, he should have shot on film. If he wanted to shoot fast and cheap, he should have shot with the Red system- in color! I'm not even sure what was his motivation to shoot it in B/W. Nothing about Shakespeare screams Black and White to me.

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Well of course he wanted to shoot it fast and cheap; he shot it in his home, on his week off, with his own equipment and money. As far as why he wanted the black and white aesthetic, that's impossible to say until we see the movie. Shakespeare is almost infinitely interpretable, so we won't know what the tone or focus of Whedon's version is until we see it. It could be an anachronistic invocation of old Hollywood glamour, an attempt to create a tone of moral ambiguity(which I would generally more associate with some of Shakespeare's other plays, but like I said, you can pretty much interpret every line of Shakespeare 100 different ways), or any of a dozen other effects. Right now we have no context for the choice, so it's pretty difficult to say it's a bad one.

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Yes, I can see your point about the b/w perhaps being used for thematic purposes. And if it looked great, I would say "go for it." But, based on the trailer, the b/w just doesn't look right. I'm kind of reminded of "Clerks." I believe it was shot in color, but converted to B/W for exhibition. Didn't look so hot, but still had overall better look than Whedon's new film. Maybe because Clerks was shot on film? Whedon is a great writer and really can be a great director with actors, but his visual eye can sometimes be lacking. Even on The Avengers. He really needs a strong cinematographer to guide him on future productions.

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You are correct, sir, it was due to budget constraints, but not how you are thinking. The Quick Stop/RST Video was Kevin Smith's (and I believe Jason Mewes', but don't quote me on that) place of employment and were given permission to shoot there, but only while the stores were closed. In order to do that, the entire film was shot at night (and the shutters were "stuck" shut) and black and white was used in order to make it less noticeable as to what time of the day it was.

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I think the difference here is that he didn't really have any sort of actual budget. It's homemade along the lines of Dr. Horrible, which is a great webseries, but to be fair looks like a youtube video. I think the black and white was used to make it look less lofi than Dr. Horrible.

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I think the black and white was used to make it look less lofi than Dr. Horrible.
I believe Whedon also said it added to the film noir vibe he wanted for the film.

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yes black and white is big off for me

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Totally disagree.

My local theater comes up with so many stupid gimmicks to "enhance" mediocre movies that it makes my head ache. 3-D abd D-Box seating and whatnot that I am looking forward to a movie where there aren't any gimmicks or explosions or dumb crap to try to cover up a lack of story. Just the actor's ability and a good story.

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I agree with you, man. The only place I've been able to find that is in the recent stylish Korean thrillers.

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At the Q&A at TIFF, Whedon admitted the Black and White was a result of the fact that set design was largely impossible because it was in his own home. The color of his house would've off-set the tone of the film, so black and white was used to help make the film feel more timeless. Ad it absolutely works in the film.

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He also mentioned that he did it in black and white to make the lighting issues easier. Since his home isn't as expansive as a set and wasn't built to house productions, and because of the speed they were shooting it, he didn't wnat to have to worry about moving lights around to get things 'just right'. Black and white eliminated most of that.

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The choice to shoot in Black&White was NOT due to budget restraints! Joss wanted to shoot this in B&W from the very first minute he decided on this project.

Frankly, I believe it was a mistake. There are movies where B&W works well and being a huge fan of Hollywood's Golden Age I'm a no stranger to B&W, but it didn't work here. Very much so!

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I figured it was done to make the house less obvious. The walls look white but they probably are not. The only problem I have with it is the color timing isn't great. There are scenes where the black and white is masterful, like the party. But then there are scenes where it switches between green tinged, brown tinged and true black and white all in the same scene (when the Prince and count find out about the deception).

There's also some weird issues about filming in Joss' house. Several scenes take place in a little girls room. The scenes are wonderfully played but there's no little girl in the cast. I was pulled out of the scene thinking, "That's Joss' daughters room. "

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Yeah, but I loved that manly men were wrestling in a little girl's room. The shot of the Barbies in the dollhouse (hmmm...) got a big laugh in the theater I was in.

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I agree that it was funny. And the actor playing Roderick reacted with the scenery in a way I've only seen Adam Baldwin master previously. But that room made no sense in the context of the characters of the story. It was a little too navel gazingish for me. As in, Whedon's fans are going to eat it up but "real" people will be confused. I always want real people to like Joss' work as much as his fans do. Seems less cultish that way.

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I think it was meant to be Hero's girlhood room, possibly the room she and Beatrice shared until the house party.

The BW worked for me because it evoked those great 40s era screwball comedies, but your logic re: the practical reasons (the house wasn't built for shooting and the Whedons weren't about to tear up their decor just to make it work as a set) makes absolute sense. (Fortunately, I wasn't paying very close attention to the color tinges, but I'm sure it's something I will notice on the 10th or 11th viewing. :D)

It may have really helped the most because of the decision to keep the set so hectic and cluttered - more like a real house than a set. There were times when every surface in sight was a tangle of liquor bottles, magically auto-cleaning (or dirty!) glassware and random bunches of wildflowers. I'm guessing that effect would have been overwhelmingly distracting in color.

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Having now seen the movie, the black and white works really well. I didn't even notice it after a few minutes; I was too caught up in the story.

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Agilebrit, I'm glad that your concerns about this being a B&W film were allayed. I hadn't even thought about the lighting and staging issues, but I did suppose that it (1) muted the contemporary look of the house to make the atmosphere more timeless, and (2) avoided our attention being drawn to neighbors' houses and other non-foliage items in the outdoor scenes.

As you say, the story is what's important. Just toss a good play at some good actors and you don't need fancy sets at all.

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Those weren't my concerns; I was trying to allay the OP's concerns.

I really want to watch this again. It was beautifully done.

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The RED can look good in B&W, IF YOU ACTUALLY DO A DECENT DIGITAL INTERMEDIATE!

This looks like Josh did the color timing himself over a weekend. Looks really cheap most of the time. No reason it couldn't have been made to look better.

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