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My problems with the 'twist'


My problem with this movie is: the twist doesn’t work.

I’m not a huge fan of Gus Van Sant, but I have seen the majority of his movies. Many of them are difficult to sit through, not that they aren’t good films. He doesn’t make many films that are assessable to all audiences, but this one seems one of his better ones.

Before I get into my problem with the film, I want to state that I really liked this film. I liked how most of the characters are drawn to be real and mostly sympathetic, even the “bad guys”. It left you to figure out who to root for, even though your conscious is telling you what the right decision is.

But the problem with the twist is John Krasinski’s character. He seems believable at first, but after you find out what he’s been up to, some of his earlier actions don’t make any sense. Why continue to egg on Matt Damon’s character when the townfolks aren’t in sight? Why plaster up his car and the doorway to his hotel room with flyers? What’s the point of that? The townfolks know which side he’s coming down on, but if the guy wanted to play it true and not let Matt Damon in on what he was doing, he could just politely tell Damon’s character that he has a difference of opinion on what’s he’s doing.

Why ask questions like “Do you like what you’re doing? Do you like your job?” What do those questions serve, knowing what we know, except as a message to the audience? The two characters make it into a winner take all competition, but then we discover they’re on the same side. THEN, why does Krasinski continue to berate Damon? “You didn’t really win, I gave you that info.” It’s like the character has some huge ego and can’t play along and let Damon “win” even though he knows what’s going on. If you ask me, Krasinski’s character is to blame for the deal falling through, and if I were his boss I would have fired him upon his return. Yes, he should have gotten in the truck and driven away.

And another thing, it the company wanted to play both sides, why did they hire a younger and assumedly less experienced guy to tackle to role of setting up the huge lying scheme? Wouldn’t you want one of your best “liars” to go to town and fill this role? This guy couldn’t keep a secret because his ego got in the way. And why the big surprise that Krasinski’s character would know where the pictures were taken? Wouldn’t he have known where he downloaded the images on-line from? And why in the hell would the company use pictures of one of the company’s REAL disasters? Why wouldn’t they use pics of cows killed in a tornado? It doesn’t matter where Krasinski lied about the pictures coming from Nebraska (or wherever it was), they were pictures of the company’s actual f- up!

The film was transparently a “message movie”. Everything said and done in the film served the message – the fact that they would hire someone to get “caught” in the lie, and the fact that audience gets to see the real damage done by this company even though no company in their right mind would use actual pictures of their real disaster. The questions they ask of Damon’s character, even though misplaced from the point of view of Krasinski’s character, serve to turn around Damon and “do the right thing”. I don’t mind the message, and I don’t think it was THAT heavy handed, I just wish the director and writers (Damon and Krasinski) had been smarter in putting it together.

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I don't think Krasinski's character was even necessary at all. There was no environmental presence in the town. That is a good thing for the company, and they had no resistance in all the other towns so they didn't need to brign him in. That old teacher couldn't have done anything by himself.

Besides this movie is full of unrealistic lies a company would never bribe a local official in that manner. This IS an anti-capitalist, liberal, radical propaganda film which is fitting for Matt Damon who is best know for the anti-American Bourne series. OH yes this film was also financed by Arab oil sheikhs from Abu Dhabi, of course they don't want the US to produce gas domestically and have to continue buying it from them. I'm sure fracking happens in Abu Dhabi and other Persian Gulf states but they have no problem with that.

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I thought that old teacher seemed to have quite a bit of support and organization, he seemed to be doing something.

The less said about your second paragraph the better.



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"Besides this movie is full of unrealistic lies a company would never bribe a local official in that manner."


Sounds like you don't get out much at all. Do you know how the world really works?

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@Terrapin2212

...but they have no problem with that.
May be because they don't have a water table to pollute.

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I'm not sure I would call this a liberal film if a bunch of oil tycoons funded it...


Mirror inspector is a job I could really see myself doing.

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I think all your points are excellent--just watched this film today and had many of the same issues. Well put.

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Well, Damon's character had just received a promotion. Maybe they were interested in how loyal he was/how he would handle a challenge like the one from the Krasinski character and this was part of a performance evaluation of some kind. I assumed the Krasinski character was indeed a higher ranking official in the company.

I agree about the stupidity of him admitting what he was up to, especially when, as you said, of course he would know where the pictures really came from regardless. Then again, I guess this could have been some kind of overly elaborate test for the Damon character.

Maybe they expected the old fellow, who seemed pretty well organized and supported, to find those pictures anyway and hoped to confuse people by associating them with an exposed liar. Of course you're right that these are pictures of the terrible results of fracking regardless so this is the best way they can cover it up, assuming they were willing to take the risk of revealing the pictures just in case someone else could come up with them. I admit this is a little thin.

I agree that they could have been better at putting it all together and that your criticisms have validity.



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I thought it was lame because it stretches into some implausible illuminati infowars 911 truther x-files all powerful conspiracy *beep*

It's like this random piece of dystopian science fiction thrown into the movie as an easy way out

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I think he was just trying to get Damon fired up so he would really take him down at the end. And I think he was just a sociopathic dick, and I think he was higher up on the corporate foodchain than Damon was. He considered Damon a *beep*-up for letting it go to vote, that's the only reason the corporation sent him. He wouldn't have been sent if the town didn't set up the vote. They wanted to rig the vote.

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I agree that he was sent in as a fixer for Damon screwing up. And obviously, you don't want the other person to know, as it would create a more realistic retaliation from Steve thinking he just got the upper hand than knowing that Global was the environmentalist.

I had two issues with this film. The main issue I had though was when Steve questioned "How did you know where the farm was located?". To me, that made no sense (although I realize it was used for the whole twist). If I was Dustin and had just lied about my entire agenda to a town, I probably would have at least had an idea of where "my farm" was really located, even if I really was a real environmentalist.

My second issue was that at no point did I ever believe Steve was good at his job. There was only the scene at the beginning where it was relayed to us that he was. But that was just a sentence, and from the very beginning excluding that one scene, he makes a mess of things. If I was Global, I certainly wouldn't have kept him there (even before sending Dustin in), and certainly wouldn't have given him a higher up position in the company.

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the problem with the OP.

if he told him what he was up to it would make a pretty boring movie wouldnt it?

i also believe that dustin was their "best" liar. i mean it took him only a week or two of lying to the town to get them on his side so he was pretty convincing. also i believe he was at a higher level them damon.



i thought the twist was pretty good i really didn't expect it. i expected the town to vote down the company and a "feel good" moral victory for the audience.


instead you get what is probably a very very VERY real way that these situations go down. i hope it woke a few people up in that respect. no i'm not talking about just environmental issues but in general. like the one farmer said...."your only here because we are poor." truer words could not have been spoken you people really think these big companies have your best interests at heart?

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The reason the twist doesn't work is because no company in their right mind would leave it to Matt Damon and Frances mcdormand to solve this issue. They wouldn't take a chance on losing so much money when they could expend such little effort to diffuse it. Dustin was a cocky millenial punk-ass who had no respect for Matt Damon's abilities. Matt Damon could only do his job better than mcdormand (hence him getting the vp position) when he believed in what he was doing. When he believed it was the best, although flawed, alternative for the town.

Throughout the movie one could only hope Dustin worked for global. Still, coming clean to Matt Damon was stupid. Just displayed his flaw of arrogance. And, it does explain and justify past scenes.

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They didn't take a chance. They sent in their best guys in with Steve and Sue. So with respect to the plot, it holds firm.

Though I understand your beef with the film though and I think the flaw is that they didn't really get into the story or develop the characters to establish that they were the creme of the crop "closers" for the company other than just the brief meeting in the introduction of the film.

I understand in your case, that was not enough, however subjectively for me, it wasn't enough to take me out of the movie. Perhaps, the reason the film didn't get into the history of Steve & Sue to develop and communicate how good they were at their jobs, is be because it would have been a lengthier film. maybe.

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I had most of the same problems you did, but I didn't have a problem with Dustin's actions before he revealed himself. He was playing a role and he needed to commit to it 100%. That meant treating Damon's character exactly like an environmental activist would and that's what he did.

Where the film lost me completely was in the "reveal" of the twist. It was stupid of Dustin to do and unnecessary for the film. I was thinking it before he admitted it. They should have just had Dustin leaving, but not appearing too unhappy about being caught. Then Damon could have either figured it out or run into him later in New York.

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That's impossible.

The reveal had 2 purposes; one which you forgot. It was a plot device that sparked Steve Butler's change of heart. Had they have done it your way where the reveal occurs at a much later date (running into him in NY), then Steve wouldn't have done what he did during the town vote

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