What happened to all of the "record breaking presales" talk. - Toy Story 4 (2019) Discussion

[–] ebhaynz (3688) 5 years ago

Very interesting. It's hard to believe TS4 won't break records but in today's day in age you never know.
I kind of think that we've seen sort of a breakthrough with Chernobyl on HBO. People are still finding a way to watch it, and they all love it. Haven't seen this kind of "everybody must see" buzz in a long time. GoT sure, but of course it disappointed in the end. Now go make Fukishima!

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

@ebhaynz

Well...it has already missed it's first opportunity to break a record and that is the highest animated preview last night.

It missed it by a LOT(6.5 million).

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

*red alert*

*red alert*

Hardly any tickets presold for tomorrow...Friday...Saturday.

We may be looking at the biggest surprise "underperformer" in recent memory.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6094) 5 years ago

Question Queen. Why do you care so much about money you will never see?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

I've just always been fascinated with box office.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6094) 5 years ago

Why? Who cares? You or I do not see any of this money. I can understand when you see a movie you like and you want it to do well to inspire more of that type of film but overall it is a rather silly thing to obsess over. Money is no indicator of quality whatsoever. Blade Runner 2049 was terrific but it was a box office bomb.

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[–] exatera (3953) 5 years ago

That's what I am wondering.

Not just to open a topic like this, but to do all this research, to repeatedly look up the local theaters - why ON EARTH would anyone choose to spend their time this way? How on earth does it affect YOUR life?

Just go see the movie!

That would have been a much better use of your time.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6094) 5 years ago

Yeah I simply do not get why people care about money they will never see. I mean I wanted Blade Runner 2049 to do good because it encourages movie studios to make more films like that. It encourages actually taking time and putting effort into a sequel. I don't care about it breaking records or anything though. I just wanted it to make a good profit.

Movies like Jurassic World fallen Kingdom are bland pieces of crap but people shell out the bucks for it. I hate that because it makes the studio go well we don't have to try look people are eating it up.

All this back and forth is just silly to me. My movie made more than yours. Are we 11 years old? Sorry rant over.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

All this back and forth is just silly to me. My movie made more than yours. Are we 11 years old? Sorry rant over.

This is what's strangest to me, the seemingly gloating attitude about a movie doing worse (or better) than expected. Seems unusual to have either attitude when a person isn't personally involved in the making of these films.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6094) 5 years ago

I just find it odd and silly. Oh well I guess some things are not meant to understand. I always make the joke and say are the people who made this film paying your rent or something?

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

*red alert*? Why?

[–] QueenFanUSA (1900) 3 days ago
It looks like a billion isn't going to happen but it still has lots of runway left(Universal/Illumination films have long legs) and many, many major markets left to open in.

That 154 million number is deceptive as this one is being rolled out slowly globally.

For all of your so-called fascination for Box Offices you tend to exude fascinated ill and foreboding DOOM for Disney and fascinated Hosannas and optimism for Universal/Illumination.

It is as if you have, dare I say it, a bias against your so-called favorite studio? So are you only predicting, suggesting or speculating "Under-Performance" for the OW or for the entire run?

Or will Toy-Story-4 not have long legs with families and there is some other turn-off causing what you are intimating as poor box office performance?

Sharing is caring!

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Red alert, indeed.

I have been setting off the warning sirens for a looooong time now....even in the face of Deadline with it's "Toy Story 4 eyeing 200 million OW" headline from 2 weeks ago.

Now? That SAME SITE(Deadline) is calling it a 136 million OW). That's a drop of 64 million dollars!

The only question now is...will it drop below Finding Dory and Shrek the Third?

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

So on 06/18/2019 Deadline had this on their site in regards to TS4:

We hear the movie directed by Josh Cooley (who helmed such Pixar shorts such as the Inside Out one Riley’s First Date) could do around $160M in U.S./Canada, and, yes, enormously more (some believing $200M). Tack that on to the overseas $100M+ debut projection in 37 territories (64% of the pic’s foreign rollout), and we’re looking at a global blast off of $260M (maybe $300M if domestic overperforms, and Disney has certainly been able to beat their forecasts with Avengers: Endgame and Aladdin this season) — a brand new record for an animation pic’s worldwide opening weekend set to beat Incredibles 2‘s WW debut of $235.8M ($182.6M of that came from domestic).

But you posted the following:

"Sorry.. hard for me to see this hitting these 150-200 million OW predictions. I'm looking at screenings in my area for Thu-Fri-Sat and they are all almost empty. Not ONE is close to being full. For it to even hit Finding Dory's 135 million OW it would seem to have a lot more seats sold than what I'm seeing.

This is anecdotal, I know, but still...i should be seeing a lot more seats sold than this!

Why should your anecdotal observation be cause for concern? How many sold seats SHOULD you be seeing? Maybe you live in a retirement community with a theater nearby and no one there wants advance ticket buys for TS4? Just a thought. Do you have a good track record for reporting on seats sold in your area versus First Day Sales that are reliable enough to be an indicator of OW and long term Box Office performance?

How many have you done? 1, 100?
Do you keep logs and watch on-line ticket sales over a 7-day period?

By the way since you do this can you provide any clarity to the alleged Ticket Buying conspiracy and Captain Marvel? Did Disney buy up seats and were the theaters REALLY empty?

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Looks like I was right after all!

Deadline has just slashed their projection waaaay down to 136 million.

Btw...thanks for reposting my spot-on post juxtaposed against the egregious Deadline article!

Love it!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Norrinrad...I'm of a mind to print, laminate and frame your post.

Regardless of your intentions, you documented(in riveting fashion) yours truly absolutely hitting it out of the park!

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[–] ebhaynz (3688) 5 years ago

Just a theory, maybe since a lot less people watch network tv nowadays maybe they don't really know Toy Story 4 is going to be released this week? I didn't know until a day or two ago. A Toy Story movie is virtually bomb proof, I think the world-wide box office will be huge.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

...aaannnndddd we're off. Looks like my suspicion was right that after the first 24 hours there was nothing "record-breaking" about the presales for this. Deadline is reporting an early read and it's 12 million last night. Not even remotely close to Incredibles 2's 18.5 million last year.

It will be interesting to see how this unfolds but 170-200 million OW is now off the table(those were ridiculous predictions anyway). A lot of the industry must be wondering..."Does this even crack 150 million this weekend?".

Stay tuned.

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[–] galahadfairlight (414) 5 years ago

"Stay tuned".......... do we still "stay tuned" to all the other predictions you got hopelessly wrong?

When do we stop tuning in?

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

Nice one!!

No one has ever needed to "Stay Tuned" due to QFU's lack of follow up. Good, bad or inconclusive there won't be a subsequent update as there is nothing to report.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Well...my point is that there was never going to be anything "record-breaking" about this film's box office other than the first day Fandango presales that got breathlessly reported on all the entertainment sites.

Deadline even said that 200 million(!) was very possible! LOL

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Something "to report".

Gitesh Pandya just tweeted it's only heading to 130 million now.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

....aaannnnddd the reporting gets even worse with Deadline now calling it at 126 million.

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[–] ebhaynz (3688) 5 years ago

BoxOfficeMojo now has it 122-125 million.

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[–] Sab (46) 5 years ago

Damn, the numbers just keep dropping. I thought this would do way better than Incredibles 2. Then again, that shitty ending...

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[–] ebhaynz (3688) 5 years ago

One thing to consider is they usually release Pixar flicks on Father's day weekend but this time they waited until one week after.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

Yes...the numbers just keep dropping.

Remember...a 200 million dollar production budget to boot.

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[–] ultravioletx (10237) 5 years ago

"Well...my point is that there was never going to be anything "record-breaking" about this film's box office"

Its the highest worldwide opening weekend for an animated film. :)

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

You are correct!

I was talking about the domestic hyper-projections but have to tip my hat at that worldwide opening.

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[–] Sab (46) 5 years ago

It opened with less than Incredibles 2, which has got me very worried.

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

It's going to be waaaasy lower than Incredibles 2. It will be lucky to match Finding Dory's 135 million OW.

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[–] Sab (46) 5 years ago

Why, though? It's frigging Toy Story!

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[–] QueenFanUSA (3379) 5 years ago

I guess there's just been too many. People think it's played out.

The problem is that the production budget is the usual 200 million.

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[–] sarahb2 (69) 5 years ago

I saw it Friday and honestly - the story isn't very good. And if you love the Toy Story franchise, the ending will make you VERY angry. Once word of that gets around, interest will cool significantly.

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[–] NorrinRad (5468) 5 years ago

Is this the narrative you're attempting to relay to everyone here?

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/toy-story-4-seeing-second-052011093.html

Is this the story behind the $200 Mil down to $150 Mil down to whatever it is going to be on Sunday?

is this what you want credit for? Anthony D'Alessandro from Deadline penned this story and what is your take on the story that you are "Breaking" so breathlessly? Or is this some kind of scandal that you've uncovered? No, maybe there is gross incompetence?

What is it that has you so exuberantly ecstatic that you need to not only follow this ahem, *Red Alert*, but provide updated reports? What is it that you are "Right" about?

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[–] furiousstyles (4391) 5 years ago

"I should be seeing a lot more seats sold thank this" who the fuck do you think you are queen? Do me a favour, make a fist, and hit yourself in the face multiple times, why do you constantly troll Disney movies? Why aren't you on the secret life of pets 2 board where you thought that movie was hot hot hot, WW = $172,963,535 thus far, that's not hot hot hot.

Looking forward to another huge queen fail, shame you know nothing about this business and just sit there sprouting crap from other website.

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