Its about time to call out these *beep* To those *beep* who keep ripping The Hunger Games as a Battle Royale rip off.
Battle Royale is a rip off of The Running Man, The Worlds Most Dangerous Game and so on.
The Hunger Games Trilogy will always be better then that overrated crap.
Every single story written nowadays is a rip off of several previous stories. That's just the way it is. I enjoy THG books and films, so I just choose to ignore all the "Battle Royale rip-off" ranters around here. No point in arguing with them so I just don't read or respond to their posts. Their opinions won't change the fact that I enjoy THG so why even bother?
shareThe ranters are just a bunch of Otaku lovers.
shareI think they're just bitter because their beloved series was nowhere near as popular as THG.
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If Hunger Games is obviously a copy of BR and that makes me dissapointed, Idk if Collins just denies it. Or maybe Im just wrong and that Both the writer of HG and BR just really have very exact same ideas f or a story and even the same details f or them... which I dont know if its even possible.Hunger Games is not a rip off of Battle Royale, so you don't have to be disappointed. Both authors claim to use similar source materials to develop their ideas (The Running Man & Modern Reality TV) -- but having similar source materials does not make it "a ripoff". Both of them use that material differently (and use other sources besides those two.)
There's no doubt that watching a story which is similar to ones you already know can be disappointing.
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I've had the same experience. In the 1980s everybody was raving about a science fiction novel called the HANDMAID's TALE. To me it was a blatant copy of an earlier novel by Robert Heinlein called IF THIS GOES ON. Same theme ( US taken over by religious fanatics) same narrative structure ( first-person narration by a servant of the dictator) same plot ( attempted seduction disguised as a religious ritual). And I'm apparently the only reader than noticed it.
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Even if Hunger Games is unintentionally very similar then the other author Koushun Takami would be more involved in the lawsuit.There are many films or books that very similar in plot but are not complete copies like Escape from Alcatraz and Shawshank Redemption or Deep Impact and Armageddon or The Illustionist and The Prestige.
shareI hope this sets a very important precedent for the US film industry. I find that in certain US films if entire Hollywood movies themselves are not copied, plot point elements or dialogue snippets are. I find it absolutely delightful that a Hollywood production is pursuing a multi-million dollar slap on the wrist. Patent attorneys should look retrospectively at other offenders and do the same. There is no excuse for such shoddy, soulless and ultimately immoral filmmaking. It's repulsive that so much money is made off such blatant theft.
shareT ake a look at Battle Royale 2: Revenge (2000) with Riki Takeuchi and tell me it is not the same! I watched The Hunger Games: Catching Fire last night and when it came to the fight scene with the clock arena, I thought I've seen that before, I mean exactly like that scene. Are there no rules against this kind of plagiarizing?
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I bought the DVD of Battle Royale in 03' on Ebay for $10 when a Asian kid at college told me about the movie and I thought it was too nuts to be true. There are one million ways she could have saw it, and who cares if she did, it is plagiarism on BR as much as Nightmare on Elm Street is plagiarism on Friday the 13th.
shareI don't think Hunger Games copied Battle Royal, but BR was a borderline genius movie in it's own rite. I learned about it in 03' from a Asian college friend who told me it was the rage in Japan and I got it on eBay and it blew my mind. It is awesome for having the balls to create that story and take it to the big screen, and film it in 80's style horror with over the top blood and gore of kids getting killed. The story and premise was unique and well done too, the sequel was just ok, but I would have always remembered BR even if Hunger Games never came out to "remind" me of it.
shareIt seems a bit odd to draw a comparison between Collins' book and the film version of Battle Royale, rather than between Collins' book and Koushun Takami's book that Fukasaku based his film on (or, alternately, between the two film versions). Also, why not mention that Collins says she was largely inspired by the myth of Theseus and the gladitorial games of acient Rome, rather than simply saying that she denied knowing of Battle Royale? I mean, it seems like none of this actually serves to do very much justice to either of the creators of these works. Perhaps I'm being just being picky, though.
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i enjoy both Battle Royale and The Hunger Games, but for different reasons.
Yes, they both have teens (the first Hunger Games), and they are forced to kill each other in front of an audience, but they're pretty different. The main motive for each is different, and they are explored a little differently. Battle Royale's reasoning for its events are that children need to be more respectful to their elders? something along those lines. They do have the uprising between the remaining male and female. Definitely when i think of BR, i think of when Quentin Tarrantino mentions how he wishes he made that movie, and just the overall style is so different and for a different audience. With BR, you expect super gratuitous amounts of blood, and manga like violence, plus taking in all the culture that is occurring in that part of the world.
If you really want to compare the two, the main issue in BR is on such a smaller scope that that of The Hunger Games.
The Hunger Games, does have that, but explores how everyone back home in the districts is reacting to all this, how the victors are after, and combines a ton of issues and topics, and how war and the process of creating a revolution effects everyone. Something that BR gets on the surface, which IS NOT a bad thing, and i wouldn't want to change BR at all.
i enjoy both Battle Royale and The Hunger Games, but for different reasons.
Yes, they both have teens (the first Hunger Games), and they are forced to kill each other in front of an audience, but they're pretty different. The main motive for each is different, and they are explored a little differently. Battle Royale's reasoning for its events are
But that premise falls apart when you see that it is the children who are going to school who are kidnapped and don't know about the Act. The premise of the film is undercut by the films actions and Takami seems to be punishing the students who are actually attending school...why? If the 14-15 year old students in that world knew about the Act who could blame them for cutting school? The scene at the beginning where the reporters are swarming around the winner of the battle is not followed up by any scenes of the students actually watching TV. The entire plot is a bundle of contradictions. It's just one more reason why I know Collins never saw it and never read the book. Her books do have logic and actions are shown to have consequences.
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Dude, the way you talk, no wonder older people are saying that sh!t to you!b
"I often hear that teenagers are mean, histrionic little know-it-alls with nothing but angst, self-absorption and empty-calorie cynicism flowing through their veins."
I'm 48 and I am very well educated but If I hear a young person speak like that, I automatically assume they are indeed little "know-it-alls."
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Sir_Cellophane_Beak, the argument I think is that it’s in part art reflecting life....but these things can go the other way too.
Also...kids really do actually attack each other physically. Bullying isn’t just verbal. Obviously, folks aren’t generally sticking spears through each other, but harassment does frequently involve a physical component in these situations.
I would agree that HG’s presentation of how dictatorships work is pretty much nonsense. I think part of the disconnect is the effort to map reality shows onto dictatorships? It’s not crazy to see reality shows as perhaps oppressive, or about biopower, but the way they’re about biopower really has a lot to do with our particular system of late capitalist diffuse power distribution. You try to turn that into George Orwell, it just doesn’t really work. And analogys to Rome doesn’t get at it either, or not without more work on the world building than she’s willing/able to put in.
I don’t think Lord of the Flies is great, but it’s definitely got its ideology way better worked out than Hunger Games. It’s also not a genre work, and the genre elements of Hunger Games really mess with what she’s trying to do. The demand that there be a restaging of the games over and over in the books for basically marketing reasons completely undermines her own moral position — and not in an even marginally self-reflective way, as far as I can tell.
It takes place in an alternate-world 1997 Japan, where the country’s economy has collapsed and unemployment has become so rampant most students have stopped attending school, seeing it as a waste of time. Seeing the very foundations of their society crumble, Japanese authorities pass the Battle Royale Act, stipulating that once a year a randomly chosen 8th grade class must fight to the death until only one student remains standing. - A premise which was to mysteriously reappear just three short years later in dubious guise - spoon fed to the mass market through the scholastic book program of the day.
Wow, you used a lot of words to say very little.
I listened, as if in a dream, to the wild improvisations of his speaking guitar.
The similarities are there but I totally agree that Battle Royale is overrated. I kept hearing about it a while back, before I saw Hunger Games, so decided to watch it. Now, I dig Japanese horror and know they do the over the top dying sh!t, but it was pretty crappy in Battle R! The "idea" was sound but it wasn't effectively followed through for me to take it seriously enough.
The Hunger Games rocks!!!
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