Why the family would be safer in other reality? That doesn't make any sense, right?
If Jason, the creator of the box, had been more honest about why every Jason was expecting the wife and son into the box, then perhaps the family would have voluntarily agreed to replicate themselves for each of them.
>Why the family would be safer in other reality? That doesn't make any sense, right?
Because another reality hasn't been completely compromised by a never-ending stream of Jasons coming through the box.
Nor already has hundreds of Jasons already there.
>If Jason, the creator of the box, had been more honest about why every Jason was expecting the wife and son into the box, then perhaps the family would have voluntarily agreed to replicate themselves for each of them.
That could work too, but the neverending stream of Jasons would still keep coming. You'd also make the multiplication of Daniella and Charlie endless.
No, it doesn't make any sense. They have tens of millions of dollars and this is the only world Daniela and Charlie know. They should destroy the box and live in a place that is well-protected. The trouble is that this sensible move would not make for a great second season.
shareDestroying the box would make no difference. Boxes spawn in over it. That's why Jason2 blocked exit points to the box, rather than tried to destroy it. Jasons would keep pouring through.
shareThat Jason is the one who says he's going to destroy the box. Regardless, they can encase it. They can put seal around the concrete leaving a botulinum toxin or radioactive materials. It would make 100x more sense than traveling the multiverse.
Writers could motivate the family to leave in other ways. Someone gets sick, so the family must find a world where there's a cure for the disease. Or the country destabilizes because Trump's president.
>That Jason is the one who says he's going to destroy the box. Regardless, they can encase it. They can put seal around the concrete leaving a botulinum toxin or radioactive materials. It would make 100x more sense than traveling the multiverse.
Yes, encasing it would do the trick - or could do it. I guess. There's still hundreds of Jasons already in Jason1's universe though.
The quickest way in that moment was for them to just get out of dodge.
"There's still hundreds of Jasons already in Jason1's universe though.
The quickest way in that moment was for them to just get out of dodge."
As mentioned previously, they let the family pass into the box without issue. They had the finances to disappear in their home world, and the Jasons are unlikely to know if they had at some point snuck out via the box.
Some of them let them out. They weren't all the Jasons there.
And what should the other Jasons do?
"Some of them let them out. They weren't all the Jasons there."
Uh-huh. So the most hard-core Jasons didn't even show up?
"And what should the other Jasons do?"
Like I said, unalive themselves or search for a world where the wife and kid have not made a decision.
>Uh-huh. So the most hard-core Jasons didn't even show up?
Many of them were elsewhere. They didn't necessarily know where Jason and Daniella and Charlie were going to go to be there. It's likely all the Jasons at the box had dealt with more antagonistic variants who had been removed. And what are they gunna do? Jump Jason in front of all the other Jasons and try to drag Charlie and Daniella off?
>Like I said, unalive themselves or search for a world where the wife and kid have not made a decision.
Oh yes, because committing suicide is just an easy decision to make.
And many of the Jasons didn't have any ampoules left.
>Many of them were elsewhere. They didn't necessarily know where Jason and Daniella and Charlie were going to go to be there. It's likely all the Jasons at the box had dealt with more antagonistic variants who had been removed. And what are they gunna do? Jump Jason in front of all the other Jasons and try to drag Charlie and Daniella off?
Given the motives you're suggesting, yes. You said earlier they were likely out of ampoules, so by your logic, such as it is, they should have attacked as they have little to lose and no other recourse.
>Oh yes, because committing suicide is just an easy decision to make.
You're not grasping the metaphysics. If I wake up and find there's an identical version of me (such that I do not know who the "original" is), it does not matter which copy lives or dies. If one crunches a cyanide tablet, my consciousness and identity still exist. This is precisely how so many humans far and wide cope with death, believing that they somehow live after they die because their spirit will continue on at a theme park. Insects can make for good communists -- completely willing to die for the colony -- because it's sacrificing for genetically identical organisms. They do not see differences between themselves and others, which fosters highly cooperative behavior.
If my goal were to conquer the universe, then I'd want many different versions of myself. If my goal were to be with a one-true love, then I would have already achieved it. Inasmuch as copies are divergent because of traumatic experiences, the wife and kid are unlikely to want to be with them; they've changed. The Jasons who were not so divergent should have been inlined to eliminate the other versions of himself. The Jason who prevailed is also more likely to have similarly minded allies compared to the ones who are off their rockers.
>Given the motives you're suggesting, yes. You said earlier they were likely out of ampoules, so by your logic, such as it is, they should have attacked as they have little to lose and no other recourse.
And then all the other Jasons jump them. They aren't necessarily suicidal. It's also likely the Jasons they encountered at the box had dealt with the angry Jasons.
>You're not grasping the metaphysics. If I wake up and find there's an identical version of me (such that I do not know who the "original" is), it does not matter which copy lives or dies. If one crunches a cyanide tablet, my consciousness and identity still exist. This is precisely how so many humans far and wide cope with death, believing that they somehow live after they die because their spirit will continue on at a theme park. Insects can make for good communists -- completely willing to die for the colony -- because it's sacrificing for genetically identical organisms. They do not see differences between themselves and others, which fosters highly cooperative behavior.
Also, how do you know that some Jasons didn't commit suicide? We didn't see all Jasons.
And no, we're not a hive-mind. We don't necessarily think like that at all.
>And then all the other Jasons jump them. They aren't necessarily suicidal. It's also likely the Jasons they encountered at the box had dealt with the angry Jasons.
You insist that this family must flee to another dimension because the dastardly Jasons will stop at nothing (even though they resigned themselves to allowing the family to disappear). The bottom line is that the chosen one never should have left. He's not motivated by any character or worldly logic and more likely a season 2. The possibility of Empathy Chicago with edible ice cream cups just sounds more exciting and wonderful.
>And no, we're not a hive-mind. We don't necessarily think like that at all.
This is a stolen base. We also don't have a magic box that effectively creates copies of ourselves.
>You insist that this family must flee to another dimension because the dastardly Jasons will stop at nothing (even though they resigned themselves to allowing the family to disappear).
Some of the Jasons did that. Not all. There's also the impending issue of lots of dead Jasons to be discovered by the authorities. And all the other Jasons just hanging around. That world is burned.
>This is a stolen base. We also don't have a magic box that effectively creates copies of ourselves.
...So because this show is rooted in a science fiction concept where the multiverse exists, therefore it makes sense to also depict humans as if we're insects?
>Some of the Jasons did that. Not all. There's also the impending issue of lots of dead Jasons to be discovered by the authorities. And all the other Jasons just hanging around. That world is burned.
Again, those Jasons were cowed. Again, the good Jasons, if they're looking for a purpose/meaning/mission can destroy all of the bad Jasons and then unalive themselves.
>...So because this show is rooted in a science fiction concept where the multiverse exists, therefore it makes sense to also depict humans as if we're insects?
This is a pretty gross and sad mischaracterization. It's not depicting "humans" as insects. It's a human coming to understand the idea of identity death. In the military, soldiers are buzzed and uniformed and marched in unison to diminish the differences between each other. Dying to save two other people is like dying to save two more versions of oneself.
>Again, those Jasons were cowed.
No, *SOME* of those Jasons were "cowed".
>Again, the good Jasons, if they're looking for a purpose/meaning/mission can destroy all of the bad Jasons and then unalive themselves.
We're not ants. We're not insects. This is not how people will behave, nor should be assumed they'd behave like this.
>This is a pretty gross and sad mischaracterization. It's not depicting "humans" as insects. It's a human coming to understand the idea of identity death. In the military, soldiers are buzzed and uniformed and marched in unison to diminish the differences between each other. Dying to save two other people is like dying to save two more versions of oneself.
They're not soldiers either. The Jasons would probably want to try to leave the world. It's possible some have some ampoules that they could use to get more ampoules to give to the other Jasons who can then go off, and the cycle will go on and on and on.
I can't imagine the author saying "And then all the excess Jasons killed themselves" would make for a remotely satisfactory ending lol. And then Jason's family would have to explain why hundreds of clones of himself committed suicide to the authorities.
I wrote, "Again, those Jasons were cowed."
And you replied, "No, *SOME* of those Jasons were 'cowed'."
Can we just agree that your semantic wanking is wildly incompetent? The Jasons who were present were cowed. The others unseen (but thriving in your fevered imagination) were too incompetent to even trace the family.
As for behavior, you're reduced from saying that "we're not insects" to "we're not soldiers." We also don't have clones of ourselves. It's instructive you're willing to suspend disbelief for a violation of the laws of nature, but for some reason wholly unwilling to consider the logical consequences. Do better.
>I can't imagine the author saying "And then all the excess Jasons killed themselves" would make for a remotely satisfactory ending lol. And then Jason's family would have to explain why hundreds of clones of himself committed suicide to the authorities.
Please try to read for comprehension. From the beginning I've maintained that this ending was crafted precisely for commercial purposes. Of course having a product where a family uses its tens of millions of dollars to retreat to a foreign country is not as cool as traveling to Empathy Chicago.
>Can we just agree that your semantic wanking is wildly incompetent? The Jasons who were present were cowed. The others unseen (but thriving in your fevered imagination) were too incompetent to even trace the family.
Or were waiting. If you were an angry Jason, you'd attempt to what... assault a crowd of cowed Jasons in the hope of convincing Daniela and Charlie they should come with you?
>As for behavior, you're reduced from saying that "we're not insects" to "we're not soldiers." We also don't have clones of ourselves. It's instructive you're willing to suspend disbelief for a violation of the laws of nature, but for some reason wholly unwilling to consider the logical consequences. Do better.
What? The premise of this show is that infinite alternative realities exist, and more exist every second, and that they can be accessed. It does not make sense to assume that in the event of someone crossing over into alternative realities, with their decisions making more clones of themselves doing the same thing that upon realising this, they would all kill themselves.
>Please try to read for comprehension. From the beginning I've maintained that this ending was crafted precisely for commercial purposes. Of course having a product where a family uses its tens of millions of dollars to retreat to a foreign country is not as cool as traveling to Empathy Chicago.
Well in a way, yes. The author wants to make another season. He didn't in the books. Whether or not it follows Jason or Jason plays a major party, who knows. But that still wouldn't mean a mass suicide would be a good ending.
Most men [and some women], well people, will try to insert themselves into the proverbial box to replicate and/or cause for self-preservation.
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