The Dark Knight is the better film. The Batman is the better Batman film. Who else agrees?
shareI love Batman, but I think the new movie needed an editing job. Way too long for the story that it wanted to tell.
I think the casting was very good, but I think a tighter story would have worked much better.
You could have comfortably fit the plot into a 30 minute TV episode. Matt Reeves clearly went to the Zack Snyder school of film making.
shareSaid nobody on earth.
shareNobody here. I thought this was a better Batman movie than The Dark Knight, and I love TDK. Let's not forget the Nolan Film's deficiences: the fight scenes are just not great, Bale's Batman voice is still terrible, it doesn't make sense for the bombs aboard the ferries to be huge collections of 55-gallon fuel drums -- someone would have noticed something that large being brought aboard, etc. And Batman is actually made to look pretty ineffectual at a couple of points -- he totally fails to intimidate either Sal Maroni or the Joker into giving him the information he's trying to beat out of them.
This story, OTOH, shows Batman, for the first time in the movie, as "the world's greatest detective" -- good enough that Jim Gordon feels the need to bring him into his investigation, even in full view of other cops. Bruce Wayne is depicted (appropriately, for someone who'd do something like this) as a much more troubled and mentally unbalanced figure, neglecting any semblance of a life outside of being Batman, to the detriment of his company and his wealth, as well as his humanity. But he's also shown to progress through a character arc and realize he needs to do more than just be a night-stalking figure of terror who beats crooks to a bloody pulp. There's a lot about this movie that's legitimately better: the fight scenes, the Batman suit, the depiction of Gotham being so corrupt that Bruce has a very understandable reason to think that he can only make it better by working outside the system, Batman's character development, Batman finally being a detective in a movie, etc.
I think this is the best Batman film to date.
Bruce Wayne is depicted (appropriately, for someone who'd do something like this) as a much more troubled and mentally unbalanced figure, neglecting any semblance of a life outside of being Batman, to the detriment of his company and his wealth, as well as his humanity.
Have you watched the movie? If so, you sure it was the same movie I saw? There's nothing mentally weak about this Bruce Wayne. It's not that he's "weak" or "emo" it's that he's obsessed. And that obsession is both blinding him to certain things, and limiting him in certain ways, as he realizes at the end of the movie. And obsessed most certainly is a way that Bruce Wayne has been depicted. Ditto aloof, emotionally distant, and tending to push people away, all of which are traits he has here.
There's no difference between his Batman and Bruce Wayne persona, because in this depiction, he has no need to bother maintaining a separate Bruce Wayne persona. In his obsession with battling Gotham's criminal element, he devotes literally every waking moment to preparing and/or carrying out his mission, and he doesn't bother with anything else. So Bruce Wayne almost never appears out in public, and people take him for a Howard Hughes-like billionaire recluse. And since he perceives the need to change how he operates by the end of the film, and to be able to inspire hope as well as fear, one would fully expect to see him develop a Bruce Wayne persona for the public in the follow on films. I'm not sure why people seem to have so much trouble understanding that this is still a rookie Batman who is learning and growing on the job, especially given that everyone involved in the production has specifically pointed this out about fourteen trillion times.
. I'm not sure why people seem to have so much trouble understanding that this is still a rookie Batman who is learning and growing on the job
Except I didn't have those criticisms of MoS or BvS. I like those films generally (except for Clark just letting Jonathan Kent die). I actually quite like them. Not being much into Tomb Raider, I can't intelligently speak on how true those movies were to that franchise.
shareI think visually it's better as well but I prefer Matt Reeves' visual style over Nolan's. Also I love how gross Gotham City looked in The Batman, gone are those pristine streets of Chicago and Pittsburgh from The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.
I loved what Nolan did with Gotham City in Batman Begins though, it had that dark and gloomy aesthetic and I wished he'd kept it for the two sequels.
Also yeah the fight scenes are so awesome in The Batman, I really hope they bring in Deathstroke in one of the sequels to give Batman a worthy adversary to fight.