that scene was absurd
that a grown woman would get that upset about not voting
sadly voting for a president in the US is utterly pointless
despite all that vote or die on stuff
the bottom line is the electoral college
chooses who the president
it's like i try and tell my 15year old nephew
votig isn't cool so you shouldn't do it
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
You work tirelessly day after day for two years and for long hours touring the country in order to get a President elected. You dedicate yourself to becoming one of the most important people in his campaign to help get him every single vote, and then you fail to vote for him because you can't bring yourself to accept his running mate. Wouldn't you feel guilty?
shareI thought she meant she didn't vote for McCain/Palin. Well, the point is, let's assume it is that she didn't vote at all, is that since she is a campaign worker, they are expected to vote. It is just like the candidates-they are supposed to vote, not just campaign.
sharei understand what your saying
but this was grown woman crying about it
i don't know it seemed a little over the top
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
"sadly voting for a president in the US is utterly pointlessThat's funny edcuomo, I tell the children that not long ago thousands of men, women and children fought and died, so that you can vote. I tell them how those brave souls built a new country based on the belief that every citizen had a right to say how he would be governed. I tell them that those brave fathers, mothers, sons and daughters fought bloody battles and died and were imprisoned so that generations later you and I can walk freely and without fear into a voting booth and have a voice in the running of this nation.
despite all that vote or die on stuff
the bottom line is the electoral college
chooses who the president
it's like i try and tell my 15year old nephew
votig isn't cool so you shouldn't do it "
man I'm not making this is up, the electoral college are the people who pick the president
and what, you think i should change this
how the hell do you suggest i do that
it sounds like a nobel thing
that in this counrty if you don't like something then you can change it
but the sad fact is that their is no real way
i guess i could run for office
waste my whole life and a ton of cash trying to change things
and most likely making no real difference
i know people died for this country
but that does not change the fact that the America people can't choose their president
i read somewhere that like only 35% of the counrty voted for Lincoln in the 1860 election
And we all still rememebr that whole bush/gore mess up
it' a nice idea that people died so Americans have the right to choose their leader
but it's not the truth
and as an American i have the right to whine and bitch and complain
a much as i please
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
"man I'm not making this is up, the electoral college are the people who pick the president"Duh.
"and what, you think i should change thisDo you not understand how change occurs in this country? People believing in something and working and fighting to achieve it? Did Martin Luther King "waste his whole life and a ton of cash trying to change things"? "most likely making no real difference"?
how the hell do you suggest i do that
it sounds like a nobel thing
that in this counrty if you don't like something then you can change it
but the sad fact is that their is no real way
i guess i could run for office
waste my whole life and a ton of cash trying to change things
and most likely making no real difference"
"i know people died for this country
but that does not change the fact that the America people can't choose their president"
"i read somewhere that like only 35% of the counrty voted for Lincoln in the 1860 electionSo what are you edcuomo going to do about it?
And we all still rememebr that whole bush/gore mess up
it' a nice idea that people died so Americans have the right to choose their leader
but it's not the truth"
"and as an American i have the right to whine and bitch and complain a much as i please"Yes you do. Brave people died so that you can sit with your thumb up your a** and whine about this country. I wonder what those brave souls would think of you, and of what they sacrificed so that you can snivel and teach children that "voting isn't cool". share
well what do you plan on doing about it
u seem to have all the answers
i take it u think the elecotral college
is a good idea
and just out of curiosity do you think inulting me
and calling me whiney and sniveling and saying i have my tumb up my ass
you think that is gonna make me agree with u
when you debate people what do you do just insult them until they agree with you
people are allowed to have opinions
people are allowed to look at things their own way
and people are allowed to compalin
what do you think America should be one of those countries where if people say something agaisnt the government then their taken out and shot
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
"well what do you plan on doing about itNot at all. I am vehemently opposed to the Electoral College. I advocate against it and I support and campaign for candidates who oppose it.
u seem to have all the answers
i take it u think the elecotral college
is a good idea"
"and just out of curiosity do you think inulting meI don't care if you agree with me or not. Your opinion is irrelevant to me.
and calling me whiney and sniveling and saying i have my tumb up my ass
you think that is gonna make me agree with u"
"when you debate people what do you do just insult them until they agree with youNo, I think that America is a country where people like you can whine and complain. And you didn't even vote. share
people are allowed to have opinions
people are allowed to look at things their own way
and people are allowed to compalin"
"what do you think America should be one of those countries where if people say something agaisnt the government then their taken out and shot"
clearly you care about what i have to say
why else would you keep replying
and what you vote for people who are against the electoral college
well i gues that hasn't accomplihehd anyhting since we till have an electoral college
gee it's almost like voting doesn't do anything
but i will give you credit
you were right about one thing
my opinion is wortless
just like yours bro
no matter what i think or feel
nothing in this counrty will change
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
I have to agree with you, and I think it helps to put it in perspective that much of the world don't really have a democratic type of government. I often think that democracy would actually be much more appreciative by some when it is no longer a "given" - if there was such a thing as a secret police or a totalitarian ruler for life. To repeat a popular quote "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
That is why I could understand the "I couldn't vote" moment in the film. It was a historic election, and not having participated probably was a very difficult decision. She couldn't vote for Obama, either because she disagree with his views or out of loyalty to the campaign she was a part of, but she couldn't vote for McCain-Palin ticket either.
Good grief!
The grown woman you are talking about was not the typical voter at that point in her life. Politics and political campaigns were her chosen field of work. Someone like that does not make a commitment to work for a candidate lightly. They work for candidates they believe in.
Nicole Wallace was committed to geting John McCain elected President. Her first hand exposure to the weaknesses of Palin concerned her so deeply that they caused her to choose not to vote. That choice was not one someone like her would make without a lot of anguish.
Based on her experiences with palin- that would drive her to write a book inspired by palin about an insane vice president she chose not to vote- she believed in voting but not voting for insanity for vp.
Now it is true that electors in the ec are not bound to vote for the state winners bt they are called faithless electors and are rare. Democrats in 2001 wished for faithless electors to vote for al gore. But in fact al gore lost a vote. But this is no why Wallace didnt vote for Palin. Wallace could not vote for an insane and stupid vp who said things like I know what I know when she knew nothing.
No election was lost by a faithless elector.
I don't think the OP has a real understanding of the election process for President.
"I didn't vote" was just the hook. What she was really realizing was: "I don't care who wins the election."
I could understand how that could be a major personal crisis to a relatively young person who was - at least in part - driven by the notion that her life and work had some purpose.
And ... voting for the President is not utterly pointless. It chooses who the electors will be, which determines who will be the President.
If votes don't matter, the people who run for President must be utter and complete dolts: imagine spending years and hundreds of millions of dollars on something that has no importance.
That is definitely the incorrect reading. Even though she was working for McCain and a conservative republican basically she could not vote for an insane VP nominee who she witnessed go into catatonic stupors and when she would try to get her to prepare for interviews only cared about Alaska polls.
shareYou're ignoring the question (and the movie) in your eagerness to write something about Sarah Palin, the person. This board is about the movie.
The question was why the character was so upset. Obviously, the reason she had lost the motivation necessary to vote for McCain was because she was disappointed and disillusioned with some combination of (a) Palin and (b) McCain's judgement in picking Palin.
It's like someone being asking why Charles Foster Kane's last word was "Rosebud," and answering that he was old, and probably had a heart attack.
Well said.
Refreshing to see someone comment on the film, rather than the bias, or politics in general.
I'm a civilian, I'm not a trout
if this was a fictional drama, you'd have a point
but because this is representational of recent history, you dont.
these people exist, and had input to the film.
she was distraught because she felt that her work had been for a bad end, OBVIOUSLY
if you were a decent sort of a person and happened to be a baker by trade, who sold bread to the town, but couldn't bring yourself to eat it because you knew it would make you (and your customers) sick, how would you feel?
in a world where everyone has an opinion on everything, you get a lot of bad opinions - me
as an adult i wouldnt start crying...it seems like an off thing for an adult to do.
i told you not to stop the boat. Now lets go. Apocaylpse Now
I have no idea what you're disagreeing with....
shareall i was trying to explain or support was the woman's distress at the fact the ticket she had exhausted herself to prepare wasnt worthy of her own vote.
what is so hard to understand? serious people take their work seriously, especially when the nature of the work is very important.
though you might then observe, how important is the freaking president these days anyway, looking at the clowns who get nominated, and then i wouldn't have a ready answer, other than SCOTUS appointments ;)
I find it sad, disturbing and shameful that anyone would counsel young people that they shouldn't vote. It is a privilege that people fought and died for and every American should be proud of the responsibility of it. We are fortunate to live in a country where we have choices, would you prefer the opposite?
shareBut the college does pick the president. Lincoln only got like 35 % of the popular vote
shareIt was a bit over the top, her crying that way. But I could see how she’d feel upset. She spent all the time pushing McCain / Palin on the public, yet she herself didn’t vote for them. It makes her feel dishonest and phony
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