Please not the doctor! - Longmire (2012) Discussion

[–] Presrules 9 years ago

Agree.

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[–] janet-conant 9 years ago

I think the wind has changed for Walt and he sees the Doc as a possible companion. When he told Vic "his relationship with Donna is none of your business" it was like saying you and I don't have anything going on. When Season 4 started you got the impression that Vic and Walt were still afloat but not after Branch's death and then Barlow. Do you think he got too close to Branch and won't do that with Vic?

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Yup

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I think he needs to even get further from Vic. He doesn't do a very nice job of it though. I thought he was very mean to her saying that considering how things were before.
If you want to make your feelings known, yay or nay, you can do it in a more compassionate way. It was probably my least favorite scene in the whole series so far. And sort of out of character for Walt, as I don't see him as a man who would go out of his way to hurt someone like that.
Course everyone was out of character, which I figure was grief.

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[–] dmrobinson464 9 years ago

Maybe the tv show writers don't want to follow the books with Walt and Vic in a relationship. They have changed storylines and characters from the book. It's not faithful. It's funny how "shippers" see one thing in a scene and "non-shippers" see another. I think it's interesting reading Katee Sackhoff's take on Walt and Vic.
http://ohsogray.com/?p=4983

Also, per Katee, Vic didn't grieve over Branch.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

Vic didn't grieve over Branch....I don't know, but if I walked up to a body in a river of someone I knew, with half his face missing, even if I didn't care that much for the person, I think it would effect me. Not everyone cries and all that. Some people bury how they feel and it comes out in destructive behavior. depression, or other ways.
Also, my first thought as far as that story line was that she thought about the guy she worked with in Philly who shot himself in the head after the investigation she started. And she had also wrote that letter to Walt about Branch's behavior.

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[–] dmrobinson464 9 years ago

I'm only going by what Katee Sackhoff stated in this interview. I would be affected by the death of a co-worker and it would not matter if I got along with the person or not. Walt and Ferg were definitely affected by Branch's death. I would hope that an actor has a handle on their character's point of view.
http://www.seat42f.com/exclusive-longmire-scoop-katee-sackhoff-interview.html

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I read other interviews of Katee Sackhoff and I usually find them different. I think she is sarcastic. I know someone who if I talk to them I can hardly get a straight answer like she is, plus actors are playing parts written for them, I am sure they have input, but their job is to be whoever they are in whatever series they are acting in.
I didn't take away from that interview that she wasn't upset about Branch being dead, but that the scene with the possum wasn't about him. I figured it was about the guy in Philly and everything that has happened since then including her divorce. Never been divorced but I don't imagine it being a fun time in your life. Looked like a culmination of a lot of things. I think after the time with the survivalists would have been enough for most people.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Don't care who screws who but Walt and Vic dig each other it's pretty clear and that interview reads like a spoiled disgruntled employee...sorta like Vic.
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[–] snowdogmom-710-805503 9 years ago

No chemistry that I see between Walt and the Doc. Don't necessarily want Walt and Vic either but don't want Walt and the Doc.

Vic on the show is nothing like Vic in the books.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I thought the scene between the doc and Walt might have been the most awkward thing I ever saw. Never liked the scenes between Vic and her husband either.
If anything ever goes on between Walt and Vic, I think it would be out of town, and completely private, and probably not discussed much if at all. That is how it is in the books, it isn't dwelled on, or even thought about through most of the stories.
I could see something happening out of town, we would 'know' something happened but not see the whole thing, and then at work all there would be would be those looks. The looks are pretty impressive to me as it is.
I sound like a romantic, which I am not!!!!💖

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[–] snowdogmom-710-805503 9 years ago

Walt and Vic work for me in the books and I saw the beginnings of Walt and Vic in S1. However the way they have written Vic in the show, the whole Ed Gorsky backstory, where she had an affair with a married man that was her superior in the police force and Vic has lied to Walt several times has turned me off to the whole idea of Walt and Vic in the show. She is not mature or together enough for Walt. Plus I don't think Katee Sackoff could pull it off. Her reaction when Walt told Vic that his wife didn't die of cancer but was murdered was cringe worthy. Not sure what her expression was supposed to convey but it was just awkward.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Sackhoff is ok...the writing for her isn't...get that straight and Walt in the right context...they will get it on.
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[–] snowdogmom-710-805503 9 years ago

The writing for Vic is off but Sackoff is limited and can't handle what she's already been given.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

An actor has to work with what they are given.
Also, if I recall, Vic didn't know Gorsky was married when they started an affair, she ended it when she found out, that was eluded to also in the woods when Gorsky and Walt were trying to get Vic out of the survivalists house.
If they get another season, which I sure hope there is a lot more, I think Vic is going to get her act together, and speaking of growing up, I find the whole relationship between Walt and the doc weird on many levels. As far as we or anyone else knows, she could be married, I didn't hear him ask her anything about her personal life, then she has a stalker, (sounds like a theme), he is suppose to be protecting her from the deranged patient she won't tell anyone about and instead is acting like a teenager making out in the living room!!!!

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[–] snowdogmom-710-805503 9 years ago

I remember when Gorsky claimed Vic didn't know he was married but I think the writers knew they were making Vic too unlikable and not someone the viewers would want to see Walt with so they threw that in. It seemed contrived.

I don't like the Doc with Walt either. I'm sure we'll find out she has some kind of issue.

They still haven't found a good match for Walt. Henry also needs to find someone.

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[–] dmrobinson464 9 years ago

Also, if I recall, Vic didn't know Gorsky was married when they started an affair, she ended it when she found out, that was eluded to also in the woods when Gorsky and Walt were trying to get Vic out of the survivalists house.

Actually, the conversation between Walt and Gorsky in the S3E7, Population 25, may have been ret-conned that Vic didn't know Gorsky was married because it would have made Vic less sympathetic. Some fans had started turning against her in the 3rd season. In the S2E12, Bad Medicine, when Walt asked about Vic's relationship with Ed, she stated, "He was married, I ended it" not "I found out he was married and I ended it". It could be interpreted in more than one way. He was married and didn't leave his wife and she ended it. Then in S3E4, In The Pines, Vic stated that she ended the affair with Gorsky because it got too crazy with no mention of his marital status. This was the episode where we found out Vic was hooking up with Gorsky while on duty and faking domestic disturbance calls. There was a lot of angry anti-Vic fans after that episode. She basically stated that Sean was a rebound relationship after Ed. Either way she had the hots for Walt, and it was more evident on her side, while married to another man. She probably would have stayed married while lusting after Walt had Sean not served divorce papers on her.

As for Walt and Doc Donna acting like teenagers in the living room, what about Vic and Eamonn in Cady's living room?

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Everyone is flawed..makes great t.v...
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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I think it was already stated that Vic was acting immature, I just was mentioning that Walt wasn't acting very grown up either. Like was said, they are all flawed, as are all of us.
If everyone was perfect why would anyone be interested. Having people being shown in all their imperfect humanity is something that most people can relate to.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

^^Yup^^
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[–] selinfen 9 years ago

Vic certainly did act like a teenager with that deputy in Cady's house but I found that not to be the case in Walt's scene with Donna. It was really beautifully done, first Walt playing a song on his piano for her and then initiating the kissing... the love scene was beautifully edited, very tasteful and fitting for two adults. Very different from Vic's scene.

I think there was a bit more chemistry with Lizzie but the timing for her was wrong and she wasn't written what well. With Donna, there is some chemistry and it can be further explored and evolved in her possible future appearances.

I'm not sure (Walt isn't either) if he can ever love another woman the way he loved Martha, but I am sure that Vic is completely wrong for him and he seems to realize that, I think both actors do, too.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

Maybe I am too old to sit and watch people making out on tv. I don't see that being something that goes with that show. I do know I didn't need to see Walt and Doc, or Vic and her husband, just wasn't something of interest. And they all looked awkward. I think I would rather 'know' but not see. At least we didn't have to see Vic and the deputy on the sofa unless I missed something.

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[–] SrEditor 9 years ago

^^THIS

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[–] spasticfreakshow 9 years ago

Sackhoff is ok...the writing for her isn't...get that straight and Walt in the right context...they will get it on.

^^^THIS. vic is a bigger and bigger disaster. she was relatively good at her job until this season. they are just writing her into a corner.

the doc and walt do actually work for me, but there is no way walt would intentionally hurt vic like that, walking away from that conversation. fact is, he did NOT encourage her to preserve her marriage, he did lead her on, and he did fire aemon bc he was jealous re: vic.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

but there is no way walt would intentionally hurt vic like that, walking away from that conversation. fact is, he did NOT encourage her to preserve her marriage, he did lead her on, and he did fire aemon bc he was jealous re: vic.

^^Yup^^ Straight Sheriff mode. Convo was the same S2 roles reversed i.e. Vic/Gorski now Walt/Donna. Walt and Vic are the end game, period.
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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I was thinking the same thing last night, I kept thinking I had heard that same sort of conversation between Walt and Vic before only in reverse, and it was about Gorsky. Walt asked her what the nature of her relationship was with Gorsky and she asked him why that was any of his business, just as she asked him in the alley about his relationship with the doc, and he told her it was none of her business, and she told him it was, like it or not.
He sure was uncomfortable during that conversation.
We need more seasons to get this all ironed out!!!!! It is going to be a long year.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

^^Yup^^ Great show.
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[–] lollymadonna 9 years ago

That "doc" is Agent June Stahl from Sons of Anarchy - one of the best villains I have ever seen in a TV show.

That she and Walt would get together - I can't see it. I will never trust her again. To see her in a love scene made me close my eyes and think of kittens.

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[–] Phastdawgs1 9 years ago

Not a happy camper. He was jealous then flipped some kinda switch! I want that Doc GONE!!! He hurt Vic! I understand that he is self protecting after Branch but COME ON!! It's like he is a totally different person! Not happy at all!!

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[–] teamlongmire 9 years ago

Not a fan of the Doc.

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[–] seth-80944 9 years ago

I have not read the books, so I'm only following the characters from the show.

I'm obviously in the minority, but Walt and Vic did not seem to work for me, even in the beginning. While it's true that "opposites attract," most normal couples need several points in common in order to sustain a relationship. Aside from working together, I'm not seeing what they have in common. And let's not forget how difficult it would be to sustain that relationship with him being her boss. That might have worked 40 years ago, but today it would be a legal nightmare for the department.

As for the doc, I also don't see that they have a lot in common--yet. We don't know anything about her personally except what she does professionally. That in and of itself is a potential roadblock considering one of Walt's weaknesses is his inability to "talk" and express his feelings. I only hope she's not attracted to him because she sees him as a project to fix. On the other hand, her profession requires immense patience. Walt needs someone who is not explosive, impatient and flies off the handle emotionally (sorry Vic) and is willing to wait for him to express what he's feeling inside.

Just my 2 cents.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Great points but that Doc is the most unprofessional characterization of a psychiatrist. She's, rude, talking sh*t to Vic for no reason, not telling who the suspect is? She's not worth our time as a love interest for Walt. I'm not saying Vic and Walt need to be together but, if not, put Walt with someone worth a damn and that Doctor ain't it.

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[–] SrEditor 9 years ago

^^agreed

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[–] ZacPensol 9 years ago

I don't love the doctor, but Vic and Walt getting together would ruin the show for me unless it was written really well. I love Vic having feelings for Walt. To me that implies this whole "bad girl with daddy issues likes a tough guy" yadda yadda which makes her really interesting. If Walt were to go for it though, that's just low-hanging fruit IMO, and it's when shows or movies go that obvious route is when they become boring.

Walt has talked longingly about Martha's wisdom, softness, and kindness, and Vic really possesses none of those qualities, so aside from being purely attraction-based, I don't see it being reasonable for Walt to feel the same for her. I love them both as characters, but I think the way their relationship is now is how it should stay if we want things to stay interesting.

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[–] seth-80944 9 years ago

Agree 100%.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

When you read the books, which is what the series and the people in the series are based on you then start to see what is in the books in the people who are now flesh and blood. In the book there isn't a big thing made out of Vic and Walt's relationship, not sure if it is even discussed by him with Henry. It just is, and since the books are written as if you are hearing Walt's thoughts you then know that he is always looking at Vic, and it isn't like a father looking at a daughter or even a boss looking at a co-worker. I like how it was handled in the books and said before here, that I think if it does happen on the show it would be best handled that way, as in out of town, or just eluded to but not dwelled on.
I am definitely not at all into the relationship with the doc, something odd is up there and hope that next season we get to know what is up with her.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Interesting. The show would be interesting with Walt and Vic together JUST not how Walt and Vic are now.

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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

Yes, I sure hope that this next season things are better then they were this past season. It was too strange, it was if nothing from the first three seasons had ever happened.

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[–] latmfrh 9 years ago

Strange is the right word. The series started all over after the third episode. If season 4 was the first season I never would have watched again because the plot was far fetched and not very interesting and NONE of the characters got along. The two nicest people are arch enemies; Cady and Nighthorse. WTF?
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[–] beyondthesudz56 9 years ago

I agree that things seemed to change after the third episode. in some ways it almost seemed rushed and in others it seemed to drag on.
I am not sure why they had Vic sleeping with Amon, that just didn't fit either, since we had no back story of them while Walt was off for 6 weeks after killing Barlow.
And speaking of that, if the final scene shown at the end wasn't a dream, (or nightmare) depending on how you look at it, then I think I would want to move or burn the place down. That is too much violence to be happening in a home and still feel comfortable living there.