Well I guess we all owe Amanda Fuller an apology
https://twitter.com/amandafuller27/status/864250456310075392
shareIf they want the show back to "represent all voices" maybe they should take pay cuts to reduce the costs and make it more appealing to other networks to give the send off it deserves. 235 grand per episode for tim allen alone. No matter what fairy tale people want to believe about this being political, in reality its about money. ABC didnt make enough to give it another year. FOX made all the money from this show. Thats way abc renewed its on less performing shows compared to this one.
Its not a badly rated show, and fox do make it so theres no reason they should want to continue with it. Unless they dont want the cost either?
Well I assume right now Tim Allen is negotiating with the other networks to pick it up and that's why he hasn't said anything about the cancellation publicly.
And I agree that costs and rights may have been partly responsible, but ABC has the same situation with Modern Family and they were more than happy to let that show keep going and give everyone salary bumps.
But that brings in more ad revenue in the demo they want where the can charge more. Last man was watched by mostly over 50s. Same thing happen at A&E with longmire. Its top rated show and they canned it because those high numbers meant nothing to advertisers. If anything this is another text book example of ageism. Ive never really understood why networks dont program for older people, they are the ones with all the money after all. The average person by the age of 50 has finished bring up kids and paying for college etc etc. They are the group most liely to have disposible income, having midlife crisis' that can be exploited in the shape of anew convertible. Why networks and advertisers all think the young people with no money in heavy debt are their target audience I have no idea. At the very least it should be an even split.
Can you imagine trying to get murder she wrote on the tv today? Would never happen, unless she was surrounded by kids while solving murderers. Of course then the kids would catch on that jessica fletcher is actually a serial killer and went around the country killing and then blaming it on other people lol.
235 thousand for the Tim Allen isn't alot. The main cast of The Big Bang Theory are pulling in a collective 6 Million per episode for a show that has about 18 million viewers. Even if the Last Man Standing cast is taking a collective 1 Million (which seems really low for such an awesome cast and show), that means that Last Man Standing costs (in cast payouts) 1/6 of what The Big Bang Theory costs even though it is bringing in 1/3 the viewers.
This isn't about money, the show is profitable. This is about politics and the fact that some libtarded ABC executive's jimmies got rustled because of what Tim Allen said on another show. The libtard scum of this once great nation need to grow the F up, Trump got elected for a reason. America is tired of your rainbow spectrum loving PC bullshit.
Actually it is for frieday night comedy that doesnt bring in the 18 to 49 demo the advertisers want. You have to also remember that FOX is making all the other money, not abc. abc only gets the ad money which on friday night and with more over 50s watching means its not a great show money wise for abc. Its great for fox, but not so good for abc. So why wouldnt they pull it and put something they make on instead so they can get all of the money?
And 235 thousand is a lot comapred to other shows that do a hell of a lot better pulling in money than last man standing does for much the same wages. Tim gets to pull that because hes a big shot with a well respected show in the past backing him up. Also I should point out that the 235 grand was his wage a few years ago, I donjt know what it is now. But you can be sure its more.
TV shows dont really start paying for themselves until after season 4. The syndication is where the big money is and its not unreasonable for abc to want to put something on that they make to get into that pie. Home improvement still makes allen a shit ton of money to give you an example. However at this point fox has enough episodes and has already sold last man in syndication to hallmark, freeform and CMT. They arent going to make any more money, so I wouldnt expect them to pick it up.
Its a shame, because a show thats been on for 6 years deserves a proper finale. A good bye episode if nothing else. I would have though abc might have at least ordered a fair well shortened season for the fans, but oh well.
Oh and yes, trump did get elected for a reason and has nothing to do with why you think its so. HE got elected because he played to peoples fears. He got elected because instead of debating with people with differing views the left and right just name called each other and made no attempt to see where the other was coming from. And then theres the cluster fuck that is the democratic party. A nightmare of veiled corruption and candidate that not only stole then nomination but then when on to ostracise a good party of america with her "theyre not my people" horse shit.
But since you clearly fall into the catagory of dumb fuck republican that cant get out of his way and has to name call at any one that doest share your point of view, I guess this will fall on deaf ears. I mean the fact you think a network would choice politics over money says it all. Hollywood is about one thing, money. Its always been about money and always will be. Remember this is a group of people that bring up equality yet cant release a movie with a female lead that having over sexualized. An industry where minorities are regularly stereotyped and push a negative view. You think hollywood is run by liberals because they say stupid shit at awards shows, but their actions show other wise. If it was left up to hollywood the only gay guys in the world would be attention seeking effeminate caricatures of women, black guys ould be nothing but drug dealers and wife beaters, south american people would all be maids and meth deals, and asians would all be kung fu masters. And lets not forget the go to terrorist community of muslims. Doesnt matter the guys indian, and a sikh, hes brown and follows a religion, close enough.
You need to get out of your echo chamber. Youll be better off for it.
Are you retarded or just plain stupid? I am not a Republican or a Democrat. You should not go around making assumptions about people you do not know. Both parties suck and Bush, Basuck Odickma, Hitlery Cunton and Donald Dump can all go to hell where they can spend eternity sucking each other off. The Republicans and the Democrats make up the two sides of the same sexist/racist hate coin, fuck them and their corporate overlords. Yes, Hollywood is greedy but Hollywood is full of mostly liberals who push a PC and "let your freak flag fly" rainbow spectrum loving agenda in order to corrupt and brainwash the stupid and gullible into being their loyal pawns. Real Americans like me, are sick of the liberal agenda and rhetoric. Real Americans aka "The Conservatives" as well as the Republicans are tired of it and that is why Trump got elected.
shareYet it's ok for you to make assumptions and start name calling when read something you don't like? Go fuck your self cunty chops.
shareYou are just an overly sensitive muzzy loving woman hating libtard pussy cuk wimp and a shill for the left who is easily offended and riled-up by anyone who dares to disagree with or argue against your inane rantings.
I would tell you to grow a pair but you would just have them cut off again.
Blah blah blah, just another worthless cunt thinks he's hard behind a keyboard. You're opinions are bullshit and your ability to understand English is highly questionable. đź–•
shareAt least I am not a sexist/racist libtard who's own mother had wished she had aborted him.
shareWhere did you get sexist and racist from? I guess you've taken "the Donald" way of arguing on the internet. when you're wrong and have no argument just make shit and call people names. Oh and you're the one calling people "faggot" so I think we know who the bigot is.
shareYou must be a sexist because you use sexist slurs like the "c" word and people who are sexist are usually racist as well and vice versa. If I started calling people "nigger", you would think I was racist. Also, I haven't called anyone on this board a "faggot" but the fact that people keep calling you that explains a lot.
shareWow, that's some leap of logic there cunty chops. I guess that means because you voted trump you rape women? And you think it's ok to call people faggot? You think it's ok to abuse a minority like that? And that you're so comfortable using that word shows you up as the racist trash you are. You can't even make up your mind what kind of trash you are, I'm a liberal and a sexist? How's that work? Unless of course you don't understand the words you're using and just repeating shit you've seen on the internet before.
A trump lover through and through. An abuser of not only women and LGBT persons but of logic as well. Go fuck yourself ya worthless cunt.
Nice cumback, that's why I can see it all over your face.
shareEmergan:
"Real Americans"? Dear, you don't have a claim on being a real American because you're a conservative. We are ALL real Americans,so enough with the I'm-more-patriotic-and-better-than you-because-I'm conservative bull****. And as for that Hollywood thing--do the research. The reality is, while there may be a lot of liberals in Hollywood (mostly actors) the people running the studios tend to be conservative and more concerned about the bottom line. Right-wingers have been peddling that "Hollywood is nothing but liberals and Communists" bull**** since the '50s. In fact, here's an article that states Hollywood isn't as liberal as everyone thinks it is:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-hollywood-values-updates-the-window-of-aspiration-hollywood-s-1483646240-htmlstory.html
The point is, if Hollywood is so liberal (which is the point the article is making) how come the majority of people who run it are still white men? How come barely 2% of Hollywood directors are women, and the majority of them still white men? How come very few women even run a studio in Hollywood? Most women directors I can think of seem to be mainly in the indie film world, outside of the mainstream. How many director/producers of color can you think of that are making large-scale blockbuster films? Both liberals and conservatives make up America, no matter how damn much you hate it. The reality is, you need to grow the f*** up and learn how to deal with people who don't think like you. Everything isn't about you and whatever the hell you think. Basically, yeah, you're an ignorant conservative who think everyone has to think exactly like you with your close-minded a**. Hollywood dosen't have a "liberal agenda", people there are just as racist and conservative there as anyone where else, and the liberals clearly aren't the majority, when it comes to making movies, and what kind of movies come out of it. You need to wake up from this paranoid bull**** that liberal are supposedly
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that liberals are supposedly taking over everything,because that's not even the case. Right-wingers have been claiming that bull**** about left-wingers for over 50 damn years. The reality is, societies change,and people change with them--sometimes for the better. And a lot of you right-wingers can't stand change, particularly if you have to do some of the changing along with everybody else. And the reality is, some of you right-wing idiots voted for a guy who is a billionaire and a former reality TV show host, who has surrounded himself with other billionaires in his cabinet who don't know any more about how to run a country than he does. Funny how you overlook that in your stupid hate for Hollywood, since trumpf was on every other show and in and out of movies in Hollywood for years. He even bought himself his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame (despite the fact that he's never been an actor, or every really acted in a film.) He's been a media attention whore who hobnobbed with big-name folks in Hollywood for years, yet you trumpf-loving fools always conveniently forget that. So what does that make him,then? Wake the hell up, and stop drinking the bull**** right-wing koolaid,please.
I am a "Real American" because my beliefs are American. Being an American is not about where you live or if you were born here, it is about what is in your mind. If your beliefs and values are fundamentally un-American then you are in fact, NOT an American. I think that the Constitution should be amended to reflect that interpretation. Ofagma's entire presidency is unconstitutional and illegal because he, as a communist, adheres to an ideology that is fundamentally incompatible and opposite to the beliefs that this once great nation was founded upon.
So suck it.
If you want to provide evidence of something you don't link to a source like the LA Times, which is a biased liberal "news" site. Why not just link to some Facebook post.
I didn't read most of what you said, just enough to know you are a dipshit.
Most of Hollywood is very liberal but liberalism isn't the same as it used to be. The idea the liberals can't be sexist or racist or bigoted in any way is a fallacy. The Democratic party has a well documented history of racism and hatred. I would link to one of the many sources but I am sure you can manage a simple Google search assuming you are open minded enough.
Yes, Hollywood is greedy, I have never disagreed with that fact but... just read my second post.
The show Doubt was canned after only two episodes and on its face, you may be wondering why. Doubt was not much different than any other legal drama. The network will never admit it but it was because of that ugly annoying tranny actor. It would have been more profitable to not have that tranny on the show. Some shows are more successful because they push the liberal agenda and some shows and networks like Fox News are more successful because of there non-liberal views while some shows like Doubt fail because of it. Fox News was the highest rated and the most profitable cable news network and was the only news network not lying. Did MSNBC, CNN or any of the other liberal news networks attempt to copy Fox in order to be more profitable? No they did not. If Hollywood absolutely cared more about money then continuing to corrupt American culture and values, then SNL, The Daily Show, The Colbert Report and all the other liberal propaganda spewing shows would be pushing a Conservative or at least, a Republican point of view. The liberal agenda has been very successful and profitable for Hollywood and politics plays into their greedy scheme. If everyone in America was the same than the views expressed on every show would be ordinary and the entertainment industries would be struggling to keep people distracted. It is that constant Democrat vs Republican battle that draws viewers in. Despite Last Man Standing's success, ABC decided it would be more profitable to take the liberal side and cancel the conservative show in favor of something more liberal.
shareEmergan:
Do the research,dear, and stop it with this "ABC canceled the show because it was conservative" bull****. ABC canceled the show because ABC does not own the show (20th Century Fox does) so therefore ABC wasn't making any money off of it. So therefore, it was much more cost-effective to cancel it. Hell, ABC just canceled American Crime, which was a more liberal (and confrontational, and interesting, and frankly,better) show, because its ratings went down, despite its excellent critical reception. ABC also just canceled another traditional family show, "Dr. Ken", on top of that. Also, actor Kelsey Grammar is a known conservative, and he had one of the most popular shows for a straight decade called Frasier. Remember that one? So your "LMS got canceled because it was conservative" bull**** dosen't hold much water. Especially since the show had already been on at least five years before that idiot was elected. So claiming it as some kind of "trumpf show" is really ridiculous. The reality is, traditional family shows like LMS simply aren't that popular any more and haven't been for years. Which if you watch TV on a regular basis, you should already know. Here's an article detailing why the show (as I well as the two other shows I mentioned) were canceled.
Also, LMS (which I never watched---didn't find it that interesting) isn't the first or last sitcom to get canceled while still having high ratings---plenty of shows I liked,that same thing happened to. So there is nothing unusual or special about LMS getting canceled, it's just an economic decision. Get the hell over it. or start a petition to write the network and ask that the show be kept on---just like most fans of a show do, and stop making it all political when it isn't. And the fact that you actually believe Fox News dosen't tell lies to boost its agenda says all I need to know about you. No wonder you sound like a close-minded, out-of-touch fckg paranoid idiot. Quit watching Fox News and drinking
the damn koolaid all the time, and buying into that right-wing bull**** Fox sells. Here's that article I mentioned about Last Man Standing, and the economic reason it was canceled:
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/last-man-standing-cancel-conservative-tim-allen-132737703.html
Also, you link to Yahoo, an irrelevant internet dinosaur who did not disclose for several years that more than 500 Million accounts were compromised and that a Billion more were also compromised as a result of 3 separate data breaches?
Like I am going to read your "fake news" article. Fuck off.
So you are here trying (and failing) make a valid point and you never watched the show??? Are you just some libtard troll that likes ranting against anyone who is conservative?
You have lost all credibility and everything you say is automatically invalid.
Off to the ignore list you go. I can deal with sexist petulant douchebags like Dallas but for someone to spend so much time typing nonsense only to admit you don't actual have a place in this conversation or on this board because you never seen Last Man Standing... just get out. I don't have time for dumbasses like you.
By the way, the title of the show is "Last Man Standing" not "LMS". Don't be one of those assholes who are too lazy or stupid to actually spell a title out.