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Black Panther Blacks political message and why no one may care outside the USA


You know, BP was the shit in CW. Great introduction to a character. Simple motif [vengeance] and a kick ass acting. Loved the character, want to see more of him.

BUT...

1 - why in all hell whenever there's a black character in a movie he/she is presented with Rap/Hip-Hop? This is like stating that all caucasians love Techno... or Metal.... which is not true at all. Furthermore, wouldn't it be preferable to use the same musical motif used in CW for BP?
2 - When I ask a friend who digs super-hero movies if he/she'll go out and see the movie the answer is "don't care" more often than not [and no, nothing to do with their skin colour] and those who are going to see it are somewhat suspitious of the message of the movie.
3 - The "we all black, we stick together" mentality being pushed in the USA, doesn't mean it even makes sense outside of it.
4 - The obvious Political scthick is damn annoying. And you have to be either blind or ignoring it willfuly not to see it.
5 - You go to Youtube and see how many black USA people are crying because of the movie. Then see how many black non-USA'ers do so.
6 - "Black month". Is there a Caucasian month? A Yellow Skin month? A Red Skin month? A *insert any ethnical group here* month? And why in all hell is there a month dedicated to a skin color in the first place? That's all levels of wrong.
7 - I seriously doubt the Chinese will love the movie for the "We all black, we must stick together" message. Or the Japanese.
8 - The movie is being praised for the BLM/SJW nose rubbing than anything else. It's irrelevant, but still is annoying.
9 - The same thing happened with WonderWoman. The movie is praised ad nausam despite being quite a shitty movie, with bad CGI and laughably bad acting from the villains. And why is it praised? It's Feminist PC bullshit.
10 - The same thing will happen with Captain Marvel [even worse if they use the Muslim aproach]

11 - will it be a cool movie? Quite probably. Will it be a "let me rub this in your face so you feel guilty if you're not black" kind of a movie? Oh yes it will.



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Twisted there is just SO much here and I only have a little time before I run an errand. As much as I know you know that you know I know that these 11 are just your opinions I just want to provide some context to your opinion that you may not know.

6 - "Black month". Is there a Caucasian month? A Yellow Skin month? A Red Skin month? A *insert any ethnical group here* month? And why in all hell is there a month dedicated to a skin color in the first place? That's all levels of wrong.
In the USA February is not Black Month. African-American History and Black History is what is celebrated in the month of February by Canada, the USA, the Netherlands and the UK celebrate and honor Black Achievement month in October. It is NOT based on Skin colour. History has been recorded from the POV of the dominant majority. Most achievements and references of Africans brought to the states were excluded from history in most printed texts. To that point even slavery was taught in schools totally divorced from reality. By default all 12 months of the year in the USA were Caucasian History Month.

The wrong started with the willful exclusion and distortion of history taught in the USA. Some of the distortion was based on fear of reprisals. These monthly recognitions continue to this day as a way to celebrate the active inclusion of African-Americans as Americans.

Yes there is a Native American Heritage month within the USA. It is in November. Your so-called Red Skin month.
There is a Asian/Pacific American Heritage month which is May. You might refer to them as Yellow Skinned.
There is a National Hispanic/Latino American Heritage Month. You might refer to them as brown-skinned.

The key that would unlock and potentially release your angst about these perceived wrongs is the recognition that the USA has decided it had to happen and that America was obligated to address the untruths that were being actively cultivated in order to shape a distorted narrative.

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"In the USA February is not Black Month. African-American History and Black History is what it celebrated in the month of February by Canada, the USA, the Netherlands and the UK celebrate and honor Black Achievement month in October. "

I stand corrected.

"It is NOT based on Skin colour. History has been recorded from the POV of the dominant majority. Most achievements and references of Africans brought to the states were excluded from history in most printed texts. To that point even slavery was taught in schools totally divorced from reality. By default all 12 months of the year in the USA were Caucasian History Month. "

Is there any mention the Africans selling their own Kings and Queens for slavery in exchange for goods in those History books? Because that was a major part of the events. Also, [Black] Africans still enslave other [black] Africans to this day.

When you say "History is based on the Majority", that's a yes and a no. History is based on fundamentally altering events [either locally or universally], there are however minor chapters in History that deal with smaller and particular events
"Caucasian History Month" doesn't exist neither has a reason to exist.


"Yes there is a Native American Heritage month within the USA. It is in November. Your so-called Red Skin month.
There is a Asian/Pacific American Heritage month which is May. You might refer to them as Yellow Skinned.
There is a National Hispanic/Latino American Heritage Month. You might refer to them as brown-skinned."

Not wanting to discuss external politics [while inadvertently doing so - and I'm sorry for this], it's somewhat strange that a country which is build upon immigrants while wanting them to be a part of a Nation, divides itself into specific celebratory groups.
Why not a British Monarchy Month? It's specific and quite in line with the USA History and genesis.

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"The key that would unlock and potentially release your angst about these perceived wrongs is the recognition that the USA has decided it had to happen and that America was obligated to address the untruths that were being actively cultivated in order to shape a distorted narrative."

My only gripe is the politicization as another member referred to in another thread. Media [specially movies] also distorts reality. And the reality is that although it even may make sense all the "black angst" in America [I don't see how a black person asking to be payed because her family descends from slaves from 300 years ago makes any kind of sense], the truth of the matter is that THAT reality isn't met outside the USA. A person who lives in a country where everyone is either a descendant of other ethnicity or is indeed made of fully integrated multi-ethnicall and cultural individuals, will look upon the message with a "huh?"; little less a country where you hardly find any black people with that sort of social and political trouble [don't know how many black people there are in China or Japan, but I would take a wild guess and say that very few. Chinese and Japanese are not that keen on foreigners].

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The history of the Americas is well documented. The history of the Slave trade is well documented. What you are upset with is that you have African-Americans who adopt the tone of Princes, Queens, Princess and Kings were forcibly enslaved by Europeans into slavery with no acknowledgement of the Africans who sold them. This is an untruth. Tribal wars were rampant prior to Europeans targeting Africa. The result from most tribal wars and disputes was death as prisons were quite rare or even needed. Islam and Arabs were quite pernicious in the spread of a religion and slavery was a tool for them.

Slavery and it's practice in the Americas did not begin with African Tribal Wars. No Africans enslaved in Africa by tribal Wars or by the spread of Islam were ever treated thusly as in the Americas as imported by the British, Portugese, French and Spanish.

America self-segregated by will and desire and NEVER wanted slaves as their neighbors. To understand immigration in the USA you just need to understand Capitalism and the need for cheap labor.

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I'm not upset in the slightest. The word you are trying to use is "suspicious" [specially of the ratings].



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You can't possibly be suspicious of US based African-Americans who are attached to this movie because of a shared history within the world and within the USA?

If that shared and collective history is the basis for their attraction to this movie why would that be "suspicious"? You are also suspect as to why Marvel/Disney would release a movie about an African-King-Superhero as if that is manipulative and wrong.

Marvel/Disney wanted to release Captain-America:The First Avenger on the 4th of July (The day Steve Rogers was born of course) but it was released on July 22nd. Would that have been wrong by trying to play on the inherent patriotism of the character. The rest of the world had very little love for the character even though Marvel/Disney never highlighted the perceptions that he was America F*CK YEAH!!! Now Cap is beloved.

You'll be quite surprised by what China, Korea and even Japan find relatable in BP both inside and outside of the politics of the USA.

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no, I'm suspicious of the reviews given by critics.

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Are the majority of the critics "Black"?

Are the majority of the critics "American"?

Why would critics even care to skew their reviews towards a USA Agenda or support a so-called Black narrative now when it was never done before? Why now? What fuels your distrust of critics?

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1 - They don't have to be Black in their majority to be PC SJW's idiots [or simply because they are afraid of being labeled racists as it has already happened]. And the majority of those aren't black to begin with. As you most certainly know.

2 - Are the majority of the critics American? Probably, given that BP IS an American movie. Then again, don't know how many countries have reviewed it yet.

3 - Because there's a clear agenda to make blacks feel represented with this movie [from the get go and from outside of it], given that it belongs to a multi-billion franchise that has A LOT of world viewers?
You didn't hear SJW's and black americans crying of joy because STEELE or BLADE or or CAT WOMAN, now have you? It's like... gee I don't know... being a part of a multi-billion franchise has something to do with the amount of people watching it...

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Islamic nations still practice slavery and servitude to this day, yet it is swept under the rug in the USA.

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Indeed.

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"In the USA February is not Black Month. African-American History and Black History is what it celebrated in the month of February by Canada, the USA, the Netherlands and the UK celebrate and honor Black Achievement month in October."

I'm Dutch and I've never even heard of "Black Achievement month" or anything like it.

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People care outside the US. Remember that all the bullshit that becomes trendy in US spreads to the rest of world sooner of later.

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sadly that is partially true. However I really don't see China caring that much

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China cares a lot. There's a popular insult now in China which means something like "western leftist" (used as an insult). And the chinese internet wall is blocking out modern western world influence, which is seen as dangerous and destructive.

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Baizuo is the word you are referring to. It literally means "Waster" but the modern inference of it is colloquial for 'Shiro hidari' which means "White left". It refers to the SJW types and people who don't care about real problems in life and focus on, what is perceived to be, imaginary ones.

The Chinese need only look to Korea to see the influence of lefties if left (Pun intended) to their own devices.

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I meant caring for BP's message.

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Black American culture is considered cool outside of the US... It's seen as very American...

Even in countries that some posters on these boards consider racist, audiences can and do enjoy Black American music and culture and love to watch movies starring actors like Denzel and Wesley Snipes... It's part of enjoying what is American... Similarly, while hip-hop & rap are not as popular internationally as they are in the US, Beyonce and other singers are hugely popular...

Comicbook movies are seen as very American by people outside of the US and enjoyed as such... So I think having rap/hip-hop in Black Panther might not be too jarring for an overseas audience, even though it is probably anarchronistic given the movie's premise... I don't know for sure, as I don't read comic books...

I don't know what the music score is for Black Panther, but Marvel usually have their standardised type of music that is slightly adapted from movie to movie... I would love to see a movie with a proper African music score, instead of commercial songs... I think it would be a nice touch and some of the music there is very atmospheric and could be cinematic with tbe right material...

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"Black American culture is considered cool outside of the US"

Africans hate Black Americans.

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I think that's an exaggeration... I don't think they feel a kinship with them, but to say they hate them is a bit much as they have no reason to... I haven't heard this sentiment from any of the Africans that I know...

At most they're indifferent, but like most places around the world, people like buying American cultural entertainment... Why else do you think these product movies are so popular? Especially kids movies like these...

Anyway the rest of the world is bigger than Africa...

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I can only speak from the people I know personally [my wife is from Angola and she has her share of acquaintances from all over Africa]. America is not well seen in Africa [and other parts of the world], but there seems to be this sort of sentiment from Africans that makes them hate it when Black Americans speak as though they are natives of Africa or own the continent.

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I can appreciate that đź‘Ť

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1 - Same conclusion I came to whenever I see a main black protagonist. They intro them with rap/hip hop using their own demeaning words nigger/nigga etc.

Also, are blacks the only race that use the derogatory term of their own race amongst themselves and use 'cracka' which bats no rage from whites? I don't think there's any other colored race out there that does that. Correct me if I am wrong.

2 - I'm still going to see it either way though just to see what all the fuss is about

3 - They like to stick together and gang up on the whitey or in other scenarios, flash rob, gangbang etc.

4 - What shtick are you referring to?

5 - Liberal blacks always think they're oppressed, even successful ones and demand reparations for something they haven't been through (but their ancestors).

6 - Same reason why there is a gender month (gay pride parade)

7 - Don't think they care either way since they don't think like fucked up westerns (then again they have their own fucked up thinking as well)

8 - Source?

9 - No comment. I enjoyed the fight scenes in WW although Areas was generic villain fight it had. Not as bad as Steppenwolf in JL though.

10 - Don't remind me of Moose-lamb Marvel. They should've did the story arc of how she got easily radicalized and became Jihad Marvel instead XD.

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1 - hilariously bad isn't it? I know that Japanese also have a sort of "you are not asian looking enough" mentality to themselves, but it's no where near as open as the derrogatory approach blacks use to themselves and others.
2 - So will I. :D
3 - Also true. Cuz... gangsta nomesayin'.
4 - The obvious political "black empowerment" BLM, anything.
5 - Whenever I say that blacks in America demand reparations because their ancestors were slaves, people either laugh because of the absurdity or pose the question "why aren't they asking the Arabs for it or even the black Africans that sold them off in the first place?"
6 - which is still kind of dumb. It's legal, you can do with your own body whatever you so desire and are entitled to your own sexual preferences. Makes no sense why there is a *insert any irrelevant particularity month here*. What's next? Heterossexual month? I-have-a-pimple Month? My-name-is-Bob Month?
7 - true
8 - all over youtube
9 - respect
10 - LMFAO

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Do you seriously not understand black history month?

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Do you seriously think I care...?

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I mean...yeah. You devoted an entire post to your ignorance of the issue. What else am I supposed to think?

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you are ignorant for the world outside not caring for the obvious SJW message of the movie.

What else am I supposed to reply?

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US is a fucked up country that still enjoys its racial wars. Black people don't have these issues in France/England - at least, certainly not to this extent. There are actual statistics which depict as much.

Someone here said that people view comic books as US invention - bullshit - most people realize that Japan has a much bigger manga culture - and Japan did start using comic books about a century earlier than the stuck-up Americans. This kind of reminds me of apple - beating its chest and proclaiming to have invented smartphones.

I can sort of understand why the US would have a black history month - black people there have been calling for it, given all the whitewashing that goes on in the land of the free. But, I can also understand why its existence would lead to further divide between the whites and the blacks in that shitty country. When you give a month of black history teachings, it means that you can then keep the other 11 months to whitewashing everything all over again. A more sensible solution would have been one where they'd simply modify the existing history book content to be more inclusive of all color people's accomplishments. (same goes for pride parade - they got all the laws on their side in the US and Canada - yet pride parade still exists - WTF?)

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it's kind of awkward wanting inclusion by systematically dividing or create specific days for celebration of specific groups.

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Ok first of all this stereotyping of the US is getting old, yes there are racially intolerant idiots here in the US...they're called rednecks and hillbillies who mostly inhabit the southern part of the United States.

I however live in the north eastern part of the US and find these rednecks and hillbillies to be nothing but ignorant, annoying, parasites that serve no purpose on this planet, and you maxi are in your own way just as bad, implying that America as a whole are all a bunch of raciest baboons is complete bullshit! And any non-American who says other wise are just envious of America's strong financial system and our advance medical care. Maybe if more countries followed Americas lead then there wouldn't be any third world countries where people are dying of relatively common illnesses and living in mud huts and tar paper shacks... yeah some fucked up country huh.

Here's some friendly advise maxi you ignorant asshole, why don't you come over to America and take a cross country trip cross the US and see what you're missing.

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Hello, imbecile. I am calling YOU that only because you clearly can't read.

I said America as a country is fucked up - not all Americans.

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