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As a black man, this movie is ignorant and offensive.


So I'm black and love superhero films, whether or not they "cater" to black people. Wolverine is awesome, he's not black. Spider-man is awesome, yet he's not black (Miles Morales is awesome though). We don't need a hero to be black in order for the black population to like him. However, if you're gonna make a black superhero (which is honestly refreshing and a nice idea), cant we make him something more than a cliche stereotype?

First, his name. It's LITERALLY Black Panther. Seriously? Yeah let us name him after a Black Rights organization that battles oppression. That's super original. As a kid, me and my friends came up with a hero called The Klan Killer, a black hero who fought the KKK. Looking back, even Klan Killer is a more original and less stereotypical name for a hero than Black Panther.

Second, of COURSE he's got to be the defender of Africa. Because black people don't live ANYWHERE ELSE in the world, right? Just Africa? Cant have the black hero come from the USA, right? Hell, even if the black hero came from a place like Compton or Harlem, which are already cliche origin choices for black movie characters, it would be a much better choice than freaking Africa. My family heritage actually dates back to 1700's Barbados Carribean, (which is why I personally dislike the term 'African American' because it implies I'm from Africa), so no, having the black hero come from Africa does not speak to me.

Third, his image. The trailers are going SO FAR to make this as "black" as possible, with rap music blaring constantly and even a shot of him wearing Dre's. Seriously? Production stills from several months back showed Chadwick Boseman playing basketball in his BP suit, implying he might play basketball in the movie. Because BLACK PEOPLE LOVE BASKETBALL! We even see him stealing rims off an enemy vehicle in the trailer! My jaw dropped...like I love me some rims but why does a black hero have to steal rims? And BP's musical main theme isn't an epic orchestration like all the other heros, it's some rap mix. I guess they thought black people wouldn't be swooned by a powerful overture? Nope, just give it to Kendrick Lamar (a rapper I honestly like but still).

Imagine if they made a superhero that "catered" to Texans, but made him a cowboy hat-wearing oil slicker who lived in the desert and had a drawl so thick you couldn't understand him. Imagine if they made a superhero that "catered" to the French, but he wore a giant beret, used baguets as his weapons, ran away from everything like a coward, and ate snails as a powerup. Imagine if they made a superhero that "catered" to black people, but made named him after a Black Right's movement, made him live in Africa, made him like rap music and basketball...oh wait. Conversely, imagine if they made a hero named "White Man" but he had a doofy hair cut, had the ability to force his enemies to sit through drab business meetings, could only be defeated by dance floors, and received/restores his power by eating mayonnaise. White people probably wouldn't like that.

It's no surprise that Black Panther was conceived by a white guy in the 60's, a time where this sorta thing could fly alot easier. Growing up as a kid who was into comics and superhero fans, nobody cared for Black Panther. We were alot more interested in Spider-Man, Batman, The Hulk, Captain America, Wonder Woman, Superman, etc. Like, we thought Black Panther was cool and there were a few kids who adored him, but the majority didn't care. I remember kids liking Cyborg and Luke Cage WAY more than Black Panther, and they didn't have to be African or rap-lovers to be adored by a black audience. Even the other aforementioned major white superheroes didn't have to be black to be loved by black audiences, they just had to be awesome. As a black man, myself and probably every other black person in the world would LOVE to have a major studio superhero film about a black character...too bad what we got is one driven by offensive stereotypes. I know that BP is one of the worlds greatest scientists and intellectuals because I read the comics, but don't expect the trailer to tell you that, let's just throw more rap and African imagery for the blacks, because that's what the blacks like, right???

I'm excited for the new animated Spider-Man movie next year. It has a black character that isn't driven by stereotypes. That's how you do it.

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I, for one, suspect that Marvel Films has hesitated to bring in heroes who aren't white males, because the film is run by white males and they understand white males much better than non white male demographics.

Better to refrain from doing something than to do it badly, at least when the projects in question cost as much as Marvel films do.

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Assuming you are who you say you are and aren’t one of the trolls inhabiting this place (there is every reason to be wary of this)... Then the “push” of African culture in the trailers may be overkill to you, but only the rap songs can perhaps be seen as unnecessary (I’m fine with them). If you truly are familiar with the comics, then you should know everything else shown in the film is faithful. Is the material filled with stereotypes? Here’s the thing, Wakanda is a society that never relied on any outside influence, and certainly not western influence. In the time we’re living in, seeing a film set in the most popular movie franchise that happens to be so unapologetically - and RESPECTFULLY - African (not African American other than the music), is to my mind 100% powerful. The film is directed and written by a notable black director as well, thus I predict the film will justifiably resonate with black audiences (and audiences of all ethnicities for that matter).

I do fail to see the issue with BP being the defender of Africa, or more specifically, the nation of Wakanda — the world’s most technologically advanced society. This is where the character comes from, a secretive homeland he loves, wants to protect, and again since the beginning western culture hasn’t seeped its way in (save for English being spoken, of course). That isn’t ANY different from Iron-Man, Daredevil, or Spider-Man wanting to protect the cities in which they come from and love. Also contrary to popular belief, the name Black Panther does predate the 60’s black rights group. FACT. Stan Lee even mentioned years ago where the name originated from, and it wasn’t black power. (If it were, then I’ll be damned if I personally have a bone to pick with that).

And let me reiterate, Black Panther is a superhero who comes from a world he was set to protect and where Western culture isn’t prelevant at all. Had this character hailed from the UK or anywhere in the States, the impact wouldn’t quite be the same. He is African, it is who he is, and the film looks to present his “stereotypical” society in a prideful and positive way (much to the dismay of smug ignoramuses). How is this an issue again? Should well-meaning superheroes like him be forbidden just because he comes from a place you yourself might know nothing about? In regards to the use of rap songs. The film of course fully embraces African culture and is very much making a statement. At the same time, it wants to appeal to a large market and what style of music is more relatable, popular, and honest to not only black people but to people from all over the globe? It is rap (when done by genuine rappers, that is). You can criticize this as being cliche and typical, albeit the song selections in the trailer (“The revolution will not be televised” isn’t hip hop and it’s effectively used) speak volume.

What’s more, if Black Panther’s popularity didn’t compete with Luke Cage & Cyborg’s back in the day, well, here’s the thing: he made his debut before they did and he has always had a strong following. In his big screen debut, he took people’s notice and now after starring in his own movie, he will undoubtedly become more well-known than ever before. Point is, this well-written, groundbreaking, and yes, relatable character deserved his own film. Having said all that, if this is a troll post, then I must have wasted my damn time. But in case there are others whom share similar (genuine) outrage towards BP read this, I will leave my response as it is. I certainly don’t speak for every black person curious about this film, but neither do you. Still, I can say with total certainty that this film will represent honest representation and progress to so many as opposed to offensive stereotypes. Lastly, Black Panther looks like a quality film above anything else.

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It's sadly telling about white liberal mentality that when a person of color dares break from the hive mind, he is instantly accused of not being black.

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I stopped reading in the 2nd paragraph when you complained about his name without having a clue what you were talking about. Black Panther the superhero, first appeared in July of 66. The Black Panther Political party was formed in October of 66. In other words...you're either severely uneducated about the history of both the nation and the comics, or this was a poor attempt at satire that you blew in 5 lines.

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The Black Panther political party was only officially formed in October of 66. They had been around unofficially for a few years prior and had already made a few major movements in the scene. Do you really think the people who thought of that organization really just woke up and said "I've got it! Let's go form a political party today!" and then later that day the party was formed? C'mon, use your brain my man. That shit takes time.

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Any official citation to support your claim that the Black Panthers existed before they were founded, or are you just floating that guess to bolster your complaint about the character? Did you know that Black Panther was temporarily renamed Black Leopard to avoid confusion with the political movement?

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The heroes catering to Texans were in Kingsman 2, actually.

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So you're saying that's my movie??

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Nah... The best Texas movie I know is Killer Joe. Love it.

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Killer Joe is a great movie and one of my very favorites. I love it!

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''Imagine if they made a superhero that "catered" to the French, but he wore a giant beret, used baguets as his weapons, ran away from everything like a coward, and ate snails as a powerup.''

''Imagine if they made a hero named "White Man" but he had a doofy hair cut, had the ability to force his enemies to sit through drab business meetings, could only be defeated by sports and dance floors, and received/restores his power by eating mayonnaise.''

You just legit made me laugh out loud. Fantastich writing haha
Only part I dont like is the rap music. I like rap music but like you said, its very cliché. I would rather have something of a mix of African tribal music and epic orchestrated movie music. Hans Zimmer did it perfectly with Lion King. Mix that with stuff like the Avengers theme.

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I'm willing to bet money you're not black.

No self respecting black man as you claim to be would use the term "the blacks".

Nice try, cracka'!

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I'm willing to bet money you're not black.

No self respecting black man as you claim to be would use the term "the blacks".

Nice try, cracka'!
That made me actually laugh for ALL the wrong reasons but it was hella funny! No I don't expect everyone else to share my sense of humor in this area. T'Challa wouldn't use that term and it would be funny and out of character if he did.

Now that I think of it what would be the pejorative for white oppressors that native born Africans would use? Since Wakanda is unconquered, unbowed and unbroken there is no need for them to look down on anyone. They are just above that.

As T'Challa told Hawkeye after he introduced himself, "I Don't care".

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Okay lol clearly my use of "blacks" was ironic. "It's what the blacks want" is clearly an ironic phrase. No self respecting black man would ever want to go by anything other than black. What are we then, African American? I'm not fucking African, my ancestors have been here longer than most white folk. Unless you are directly from Africa. But that is like like calling White people European-Americans or Mexicans Spainaird-Americans. Very misleading. And you say it's wrong me to say "black" yet you say "black man" in the same fucking sentence. Man give me a break here.

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First of all, the term "African-American" was coined BY black people themselves as a name we could call ourselves that wasn't a negative term slapped on us by white people or anybody else. (Seems like something you should have already known, since you claim you're black.) I wish people would look up the brief history of the term before making such ignorant statements like the one you just made about it---and you're not the first one to say that in complete ignorance the term. You can call yourself whatever you want, but don't dismiss the term simply because you don't like or understand it. For too long, that's been the case. I grew up with the term myself (it was coined in the mid-'80s) and never had a problem with it, plus there isn't a damn thing wrong with it. It's no different from white folks calling themselves Irish-American or Iraqi-American or whatever else they ID themselves as. If you're black, you're of African descent,no matter where the hell else in the world you're from---ain't a damn thing wrong with that,that's a reality. How the hell are you not African if that's where your ancestors came from? Out history as black people didn't start with America, you know. I don't even know why the hell you or any other black person would have a problem with that. The reality is,is that the majority of people in this country came from somewhere else---including us (we're literally the only group that was forced to come here,though.)

"No self respecting black man would ever want to go by anything other than black." Excuse me? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Nobody died and made you the ultimate authority on what black people should and should not call themselves. Black people aren't all the same and we all don't think the same damn way or agree on everything, so get over yourself and your little arrogance,please. You don't call the shots on how anybody should identify themselves,period.



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"Excuse me? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Nobody died and made you the ultimate authority on what black people should and should not call themselves. "

Likewise...

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Sleepy is a stupid Marxist. "African-American" was invented by Marxist professors a few decades back. Stupid snowflakes though black was offensive even though white is acceptable!

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Black Americans = Afro Americans = African Americans.

Okay, please explain or share with us names of who are these "Marxists" that invented the term African-Americans? You have a reference you can provide?

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I have been using the term black to describe people all my life. But not in a racist way. I myself don't like the term African American because that implies they were born in Africa and became citizens later in their life. Which for a majority of people is not the case at all. But that's just how I look at it. People are people to me. I don't give a crap about skin color.

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Nice try, cracka'!
Turns out "Colonizer" would have been the appropriate epithet!!

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"Nice try, cracka'!"

Lmao!!

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OP"
You haven't even seen the movie yet, and you're basing your entire opinion of it on some trailers you saw? Seriously? You do know the film has a black director and I believe, a black screenwriter? And black designers did the costume as well? I wish people would actually do their research on the film before spouting off about what you think it's going to be? Plus the film is aimed at a black audience, so of course it's gonna include rap,basketball, and other thing black folks are known to be into. My point is, wait until the film comes OUT and actually SEE it before making all these snap judgements. As a black moviegoer myself, I can't wait to see the film when it comes out. A movie dealing with a black superhero is long overdue anyway,as far as I'm concerned.

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If you are going to criticize matters such as these, then the criticism should really be directed toward the original comic book itself, and not at the movie, which is just an adaptation of the comic book source material which has been around for decades.

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But then he would have to go to www.comicbookchat.org (made up) and not a movie website. Wasn't some of the criticism's about the movie was they left out some of the positives from the comic like how BP is one of the worlds greatest scientist and intellectual.

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