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Killing their own people


Ok, I get the natives were angry and rioting, killing americans and *beep*

BUT

Most of them killed their own people, even going to the extent of destroying an office filled with hardworking people because Owen MIGHT have been there. Also, hotel staff man!

That got my gears grinding!

What do you thing about it ?

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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they were given chances to leave but they probably didn't believe the rebels would have a shot at overpowering the police officers like they did so they stayed.

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Yeah. That tank scene was bizarre.

But it may be possible that the office building was also belonging to some American company. Hence the will to bring it down

Clark: Jonathan Kent; isn't it a little past your bedtime?

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I think this was more of a general revolution - where poor were essentially getting sick of them and their country being raped by the foreigners and wealthy alike.

So it did make perfect sense - if viewing it from that perspective.

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In real riots, they don't do that.

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Riot is not the same thing as a revolution. Revolution is essentially a civil war, only with more hatred.

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it's not a riot. the killers have already killed the prime minister and effectively overthrown the government the night before. note that they did it with a quite intricate plan too. and the fact that they have plenty of guns and know how to shoot properly proves they are trained militants, not just a gang of mobs. it's a revolution. they weren't just going to protest violently. it's already in their plan to kill their own to change things. if a local is assisting or associated with their enemies, it's not hard to believe that they will deem them punishable by death.

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2 things you have to remember about riots:

1) There are always criminals who use them as excuses to do whatever they want and pretend they're part of the riot.

2) If they really cared about their cause, they would think things through i.e. they would only go after the specific people who have done them wrong instead of any person of the same nationality, race, etc.

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As previously said, they wasn't riots. They over threw the government.

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I've seen a lot of comments in this thread that are showing a lack of cultural and historical knowledge of revolutions in south east asia. When they killed their president, that was an overthrow, ie. a revolution. The scenes depicting them killing their own or bombing/raiding random buildings did not so much have to do with it somehow being related to "America" or Owen Willsons' company but the mob mentality that takes over with most south east asian revolutions. Though, through Pierce Brosnan's character we know the official motive behind the revolution, we are not told about their ideology or structure. Therefore we are only left to assume this is some sort of anti-Western, or anti-capitalist, and probably, anti-whatever is in power at the time coup. When things like this happen, whoever is not fighting with the rebels will be killed. Buildings belonging to anything besides the rebels will be sacked. The filmmakers showing this is not racism at all, but rather, anyone who watches to news will know these things. Things are probably different in the West, but speaking as someone from Asia, I can verify that this is what goes on when there's a revolution.

Take Syria for instance, or Iraq. Yes-they all have their own official stories and motives. However, when a person not used to seeing these things happen sees them they tend to get confused. Why would a rebel group who is supposedly standing up to a dictatorship or demanding their rights want to kill innocent people (especially their fellow countrymen)? But things are quite a bit more complex than that. In Eastern culture, whoever is not with you is against you. You will also notice that the rebels look considerably poorer than the people in the buildings they are attacking.

Again, as their full story and context is not told, we cannot be sure: However, in most cases revolutions begin in the countryside or with what are known as "migrant" workers. Regardless of fact or official motive, they've essentially been brainwashed to *beep* whoever is deemed as having wronged them. That would include anyone in the city even if they are in fact poorer, because to them, anyone living in the city must have been rich = must be serving the West or the central government. Get it? It's all got to do with propaganda and mob mentality. It doesn't have to make a lot of logical sense.

If you still are confused then I advise you to read up on the Chinese communist revolution, the Vietnamese communist revolution and the revolution in Indonesia. You will some commonalities.

Hope that helps.

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You hit the nail on the head. Most of the people complaining saying the movie is racist have never been in a riot, war, or revolution. What is reported on the news in the US is a far cry from the truth of what goes on. We would like to believe that the values of western civilizations are everywhere but even our values disappear the more chaotic situations become. Riots often lead to more serious crimes. A Revolution will lead to even greater crimes. People who are good nature go into self preservation mode or protect their own. Without a system in place to tell us what we can and cannot do, most people will do whatever they want to do.

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What's wrong with the Vietnamese revolution? The Vietnamese revolution in 1945 was very well organized.
In this film, they are referring to the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. They did killed like 2 million people for no good reason.

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............. and how was the Vietnamese Revolution sooo well organized?

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I know wiki is not a source but just take a quick look and google some more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Revolution


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Ohhh okay, you are talking about the time before the Vietnam War began, my bad.

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Actually i agree and disagree with your opinion. the mobs action can be happening at all cases. the one distrubing here is lack information and the time being "overthrows" the nation and the riot is too close. as i remember, need more time to being control the citizen like the movie at actual revolution than the movies happen. need months for anti communist action at Indonesia or 1998's incident needs more than 2 week. anyway, the murder them own peoples at hotel is make senses because they hold the door can be meaning the reason for treason of revolution. its made they re good target for amok. but the cleaning at office is about under question. who are them? it is the International Corp who facilitated the reason of revolution? if yes, so the assault is make sense. but if not... just faced at movie with moving tank and shoot Owen. thats not make sense at all. at real condition, the mobs rather ask peoples inside take Owen at custody for next kill than just shoot everyone inside.
the action of riots can be organized but not organized at one time. organized is created by several peoples who had power and control the politics and military for "conquer" basic need building for revolution like radio/TV station, police office, military post, administration office or economic center who supply everyone need like gas station or farms. but mobs is not organized at all. not need brainwashing for this. actual revolution who making mobs include inside, actually happen at long term condition of conflict. if the trigger open and agitators succed to burn citizens anger. so the movies can be happen.

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It's a movie. Calm yourself.

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Pol Pot is the perfect example of what you are saying. Millions of their own people were systematically killed.

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"You will also notice that the rebels look considerably poorer than the people in the buildings they are attacking."

Ah but looks can be deceiving! For example, I didn't see anyone in the building with a tank. Perhaps the rebels should have spent their money more wisely? ;)

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They are referring to the Khmer Rouge. There's the "Kampuchea Krom" reference in the film.
The Khmer Rouge did killed like 2 million Cambodian for no good reason, and in the end everyone was saved by Vietnamese like in this film.

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I have traveled in and researched a lot of third world countries. A revolution doesn’t happen that fast or quick. Normally there would be protest all over the country. Now they have killed off the prime minister so basically they had control of the country. Now here is the funniest thing is. So they gained control of the country and threw out that company and all its engineers. Now who is going to run the plant? Sure they will try but will screw it up and then ask that company to come back to run things. I have seen it happen a few times.

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