Ripoff of "Seconds" (1966)?
Or "homage", a la Quentin Tarantino?
shareI saw Seconds a long time ago and it was a much different and miserable situation than this film.
The science fiction elements of this movie weakened the the idea of having a new life whereas Seconds was little more grounded and sold the idea better.
Seconds also had weird but realistic elements like the character was drugged and made to pedo raped a girl on film as insurance he wouldn't tell anyone about his new life. That added a new level of realistic mystery to the movie.
Epstein was supposed to be doing things like to control people for Israel, for instance. Meanwhile, there's nothing like The Substance going on so it's a fantasy.
Undoubtedly. Also rips off several shots from The Shining, Lost Highway, Mulholland Dr., as well as the adrenalin shot sequence from Pulp Fiction, a "reverse" Carrie at the end (everyone gets sprayed with blood except our "girl" onstage in her prom dress...). Find your own style.
shareYes, I felt those scenes were more like one-off references. I can take them or leave them, they seemed to be kind of intentional wink-winks to the audience. But the number of shared plot points between this whole film overall and "Seconds" overall, without any obvious allusion to the source material, was very surprising. Seems like it warranted a text disclaimer of "suggested by" or "inspired by" or something...
shareYou're probably right. To be fair, it probably lifts more from Oscar Wilde's 'Picture of Dorian Gray' (there's even a literal huge portrait of herself that she stashes away, as well as her other self....).
I mean, all the stories have already been told, it's more the way they're being told. Which is why, personnaly, I never minded remakes and, as long as we're talking cinema, I'm less bothered by intentional or "accidental" similarities between pure plot elements than by a director copying the frame composition/edition/lighting, etc. (mise-en-scene: the purely cinematic elements of a film, so to speak...) of another. 'The Substance', if it wasn't a film, would be the Frankenstein monster (perhaps even so by design, one theme of the film being monstrousness...) because it's composed of bits and pieces of shots from other films that cinephiles over 40 will instantly recognise.
As for so called 'homages', I feel like if you're not already at least a little bit established as a remarkable director or have a at least one remarkable film under your belt and have demonstrated that you've brought your own style to the table, then basically who the fuck are you that we should be interested in what your cinematic references are or where you come from? It's like writing a memoir as your first book. So to me it's merely lazyness and piggy-backing on greater artists.
I hear what you're saying. Makes total sense. So I get where you're coming from, I think I just don't fully agree. But good to hear your take on the issue!
shareYep. Good to have a civil discussion and disagreement from time to time... Thanks for that.
By the way: Orson Welles on 'homage' in films: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg-qaeIcuyI
I saw Seconds a couple of months ago. The only similarity is wanting to live another life and a secret organization helping that out.
shareThere were some obvious references, such as the eyeball shot, but the two movies were very different in plot and themes.
shareSome people know only Tarantino and that other obscure to the wider audience movie, and think that they are cool.
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