Okay, we've seen our share of sympathetic villains, but Andrew Detmer takes the cake. I honestly related to him, his loneliness, his teenage angst, everything. In my honest opinion, he's the ultimate sympathetic villain.
shareThat's beep right.Only thing that I wouldn't do that Andrew would is go to the first party,and if the alien thing existed, I would never encounter it.I'm not recklessly attracted.
Always bothers me when the motivations for the big budget superhero villains are completely ridiculous or worse ignored. They could learn from how it was done here.
shareMagneto is a sympathetic villian. Andrew is a self absorbed, annoying, whiny, morally bankrupt, punk kid. The only redeeming part of him is the way he treats his mom.
shareAndrew was a piece of *beep* I was SOOOOOO relieved when Matt killed him!!!!!!!!!!!!
shareAndrew had his reasons also. His rage stemmed from bitterness and loneliness. Until he got those powers nobody cared for him. But, at the same time Andrew was weak. The powers brought upon a bond with his cousin and Steve. He could have overcame the embarrassment, and just stayed strong.
shareThe one thing I didn't get was why he suddenly hated his friends; he throws up on a chick, then suddenly he thinks his friends never really liked him and wants them gone, and then he goes insane? What was that all about?
Still enjoyed the movie though.
The one thing I didn't get was why he suddenly hated his friends; he throws up on a chick, then suddenly he thinks his friends never really liked him and wants them gone, and then he goes insane? What was that all about?
Same. That and the attempted/successful murders.
My thoughts exactly. Kind of reminded me of Akira, but the character's transformation was much more justified in the Japanese film.
sharePretty sure Akira was a HUUUUUGE influence on the film. Which is awesome and all - but I agree. Andrew could have possibly just had enough and everything but - yeah...kind of silly.
shareHis dad told him that his friends don't really care about him... No matter how much you hate your dad, when he tells you something it tends to sink in a little bit, you can't help it. (That's WHY people hate abusive parents that tell them they're worthless.)
Exactly this. He's a chilled-out, popular, relaxed guy with superpowers, and then he suddenly goes insane and starts murdering people, because he threw up at a party.
shareHe's a chilled-out, popular, relaxed guy
The straw that broke the camel's back...
shareI think he started hating his friends was because Steve tried to shoot that girl and Andrew trying to have sex so he felt they were cheating on him.
shareNothing he did in this movie makes Andrew a villain. The father character was trash and deserved to die, so Andrew was right to get so mad when he didn't end up dying. The worst thing Andrew did was rob the store, but he did it for his dying mother's medication. Doesn't make him a villain. And yes, that was the worst thing he did.
I seriously hope you're joking with this.
He did not only rob the store, he blew it up and killed the guy inside. And that was right after he killed his friend (plus those 3 guys on the street), and before he ended up feeling no remorse for killing dozens of people just because they were "weak" and because he sees himself as an "apex predator".
How does that not make him evil huh? Is it just because at one point he actually thought about his dying mother, whose money he stole to buy a camera?
Well how about this then: someone murders your family and steals everything in their house to pay for his poor dying mother's medication. Would you still be so understanding? Or would he turn evil in your eyes?
It's fine to figure out the culprit's motivation, but you always have to see things through the victim's eyes.
All of those people got in his way. That's total, total, total stupidity. Anybody who works in a convenience store, a bank or a gas station and doesn't passively just hand over money when being robbed is a complete idiot. And if you are going to get involved in fights on the street that don't concern you, well you accept the risk that it may be you who gets put down. You may not want to hear things like this, but a lot of people agree with me.
Maybe you need to watch that scene again. He went there with the intent to rob the place, but the only one that knew it was him. He literally walks in the door and does a massive force push before he even gets to the counter.
The guy in the convenience store didn't stand a chance. Granted, he was kinda stupid to take a shotgun, but how the heck did he know he was dealing with a supernatural powered up enemy. For all he knew, the kid threw a grenade or a flour bomb or something. I probably wouldn't have gone chasing after the kid with a shotgun after that for self preservation, but you have to remember that some people love to be heroes and think that a boomstick is all you need.
Oh and for the record, yes I have worked in a convenience store.
But this guy Andrew had definitely done some dirty deeds.
"Getting in someone's way" is not a license for that person to kill you. It might make it *understandable* why the person was killed. But it doesn't make it ok.
If anything he's an anti hero - but he stepped into villain territory when he started going God complex mode and just doing whatever he wanted...He could have calmed down and flown away but he felt justified in making everyone suffer somehow, which is what makes him a villain.
shareExcept that Carrie didn't just kill people because they threw tampons at her! That experience was humiliating for her. Her mother was an abusive (physically and mentally), religious nut who never taught her about periods because she believed it was a sin from the devil and locked her in a closet whenever she did something that she considered a sin (which was most things)! The people at her school constantly bullied and harassed her and when she finally trusted someone, it backfired on her and she was humiliated in front of everyone, again! This was what fuelled her eventual rampage! I'm not saying she should've killed all the people that did nothing to her as well but I can understand why she went mad.
Sorry to rant but I just had to say something, it's probably better understood why she reacted the way she did in the book rather than the films as neither film fully portrayed everything that was going on. It was mostly to do with her crazy, abusive mum.
I am in agreement about Andrew though!
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OFF TOPIC:
As someone who seems to be a Carrie fan, what did you think of the recent adaption? I haven't seen the old film in years, but I've read the book a couple times and I really enjoyed it. I don't have much interest in seeing the new one, but if it's actually good I wouldn't mind checking it out.
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I actually really enjoyed the new film! I wouldn't go into it expecting a full blown horror movie though because where the old film focused more on the horror aspect, the new one focused more on the emotional side of the story! I'm not sure if everyone would agree, I haven't really heard many other people's opinions on it but I thought they handled the remake very well! The book is still better but it would be! They did throw in a couple of modernizations but they weren't so big that it took away from the story, it was mostly just things like the kids using mobiles and the internet.
I definitely think it's worth a watch though, I thought it was good because it wasn't exactly like the old version. When I read the book I didn't really read it as a horror book, I liked the fact that it had more to it and I thought the new film showed the emotions very well.
But see what you think and if you do or you don't enjoy it you can come back and tell me! I'm always interested to hear other people's opinions!
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IMHO, Sissy Spacek's Zen-like calm was far more creepy than CGM's angry face and arm-waving. I preferred the older version's mom, too. The newer version's special effects are better (naturally), but the older version has the better acting.
shareDefinitely one of them! I'd say he's up there with Carrie!
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