I don't know why I feel compelled to write on this message board, since I can usually ignore all of the negativity that seems to have permeated these IMDb boards for years. But, alas, I do feel compelled...and so I decided to write a defense of Justin Bieber. Before I begin, I want to say that I'm not a 12-year-old girl with no life who screams and cries at the sound of "One Less Lonely Girl." I am a male fifth grade teacher who teaches inclusion (where special education students are integrated into a regular ed classroom). I teach predominantly at-risk and underprivileged students. I say all of this not to brag (though I am quite proud), but to hopefully prove that I'm not defending him because of how dreamy he is or whatnot. I urge you to read everything I have to say before you respond.
Anyway, when I first heard Justin sing on the radio, I (like many of you) thought, "Who is this girl?" before sluffing him off as some one-hit wonder. But then, my students started to talk about him, wear shirts covered with his face, and brag about being Beliebers. So, because I always try to stay up-to-date with what (and who) my students like, I bought his CD and listened to it. Yep, it was the same predictable, but catchy pop fluff that twelve-year-olds love. Nothing wrong with that; my students deserve music that appeals to them, just as adults do.
But, for many of my students, Justin Bieber's appeal went deeper than just them liking his music. As I said, I teach mainly at-risk and underprivileged students. Many of them come from broken homes, many of them live in public housing, and many of them don't have enough food to eat at home (just as Justin did). My students found that they could relate to Justin Bieber...they, honestly, believe that he came from some of the same situations that they now face. And they see how successful he has become. At the risk of sounding melodramatic, he has given them hope for their own futures. In that respect, he has done something for them that I have not been able to do. I came from an upper-middle-class family and grew up never wanting for anything. I can do my best to understand what my students go through each and every day, but I can never truly be on their level, because I never experienced it. Justin Bieber connected with them and inspired them, because of their similarities.
Now, I'm not going to stand here and tell you that this is the case for all of my students. I have some students who actively despise him (just like many of you), and I have some who couldn't care less about him. But, I have enough that love him and that are inspired by him, that I have to respect and like him. I don't care if he fades away when he turns eighteen never to be heard from again or if he isn't the most talented singer who has ever lived. I love the fact that he has inspired my students...my wonderful students who deserve inspiration, but have never gotten it from their parents, other relatives, etc. I want them to know that hard work and believing in yourself can bring you out of any situation, and Justin Bieber's life is a testament to that for them.
So, you can all sit on these message boards and make fun of him and hope that he fails all you want. That's fine...but you will never hear that from me. I'm not a Belieber by any means, but I'm thankful for him and his success. I'm thankful that my students have someone to admire other than the Jersey Shore kids or even, for some of them, their own parents. Now, all I have to do is mention Justin Bieber's name in my lesson and, bam, I have their interest (you would be surprised at how well Bieber fits in a lesson on adverbs). For those of you who say that my students' fascination with him is shallow and will be short-lived...to that, I say "Who cares?" Twelve-year-olds are famous for changing their minds at the drop of a hat. All I know is that, right now, Justin Bieber is inspiring them and moving them to believe in brighter futures, and that's all I can really ask for.
chrisclark1215, I respect you for what you've posted. I'm a fifteen-year-old male teenager who, unlike many of my peers, actually respects Justin Bieber. Lately, he's been my main inspiration. Ever since I was just a little kid, I've always had the dream to become a celebrity one day. Justin Bieber really gives me hope that maybe I'll turn out to be successful one day.
To be honest, I also like Justin's music. His songs are really catchy, and "Never Say Never" is a really inspirational song.
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I went to film school, love movies & spend hours on IMDb boards. In one thread [I've forgotten which movie] somebody asked for the ages of the posters. The overwhelmingly majority was 17 years old. That explains the level of many posts. Teen trolls invade boards, start arguments, make witless insults & spread malice/vitriol because they think it's funny. As a schoolteacher, you are no doubt an expert on adolescent humor.
I happened to live in the same neighborhood where Leonardo DiCaprio grew up. I used to talk to his father about what was happening to "little Leo' when his star began to rise. All the big wigs & Scientologists in Hwd swooped in like vultures on Leo when River Phoenix suddenly died, because there was a gaping hole in the market for a blond, cherubic kid that looked enough like a boy to make giddy girls scream, but not manly enough to make parents concerned about sexual subtext.
There will forever be androgynous teen dream pop idols.
There will forever be those that deride them as talentless tools of starmaking machinery. Ad infinitum.
On one IMDb board I asked why so much random hate was being spread. One kid wrote back, "It's just so much fun to make fun of famous people, even if I haven't seen the movie!"
Due to market saturation, Mr. Bieber has now become the chosen whipping boy for frustrated youth everywhere. It's an international sport. Sad use of the internets. Bad things happen all by themselves without the masses spreading nastiness across the universe in mean-spirited attempts to create digital Schadenfreude.
The overexposure of the Bieber is not his fault. If there was no demand, his mug would not be plastered at every turn. According to Forbes, everything with Bieber's name on it sells like hotcakes. The meteoric rise of the Bieber brand is one of the most unprecedented success stories in show business since the Beatles. The fact his line of nail polish sold out immediately in all the Walmarts across America is mindboggling in and of itself. Nobody was shrewd enough to market Beatle nail polish to tweens during Beatlemania. Can't imagine what price a bottle of Beatle nail polish would fetch on Ebay today.
People that may have been content to ignore the Biebs are beginning to resent seeing & hearing him everywhere, which is understandable. It's not fair to blame him personally, though. He's just a kid from Canada who knew nothing of showbiz. He put himself in the hands of two of the most successful guys in the industry and signed contracts. He has to do what they tell him to do.
LA Reid and Usher think it's prudent to strike while the iron is hot. Those guys have made huge fortunes. Wouldn't most sane people listen to such experts for a chance to become a megamillionaire before being old enough to buy a beer? Justin could quit tomorrow and provide financial support for his family for generations to come. What an incredible situation to be in at the age of 17.
[Interesting to note that's the same age as most of those who post on IMDb.]
The only person on Team Bieber who showed up to have fun was Justin. Once Scooter Braun swooped in on the guitar strumming kid with a dream, it was "game on". None of those companies or Lld's are in the Bieber business to play around. The formula works, and massive amounts of ducats have been added to already bulging coffers at warp speed.
That said, regarding his movie, several comments have been made by some people who took time to actually view the Bieber movie rather than make blind insults about it because peers at elementary or middle school think it's "cool" to rag on the kid. Many of them are shocked to find their hate becomes respect when they see how hard JB works.
Lord knows his handlers have pushed him hard, & the film shows that, too. His vocal coach asks when JB begs to eat forbidden chicken McNuggets, "Are you in the game or out?" She wants to get paid, too. Screw the McNuggets, kid. You can eat them when all the gold dust stops falling from your hair.
Also shown in the movie are showbiz veterans flabbergasted at the mere 18 months in which Bieber products took the markets by storm.
According to Scooter Braun, Bieber's camp says "no" to a lot of offers. I can't imagine what, since in the past few weeks he's been on every TV talk show that exists, several awards shows, premiers of his movie in the major capital cities in the Western world, and even NBA All Star Weekend. Maximum jet lag.
When the Beatles' "Help" came out in movie theaters, it was impossible to hear the dialogue because of the screaming. Parents and teachers thought the Beatles' hairdos were scandalous, Cuban boots tasteless, and the music beyond awful. Kindly parents tolerated Beatlemania since it was assumed they were yet another teeny bop group that would fade away within a year or two.
Sound familiar? The Beatles, as we all know, soon turned to drugs, and their music proselytized drug use. An entire generation of teenagers was brainwashed into thinking that taking LSD and experimenting with dangerous drugs was a good thing.
Who knows if Justin Bieber and his music will mature and continue to please people and move "units", but at this stage of the game the team strategy makes sense. To send out the message that dreams might come true if you work hard & live clean is more positive and productive than the "turn on, tune in and drop out" messages of yore.
This is one of the most sensitive and unbiased reviews I've ever read on IMDB.
Although I can't like Bieber myself (Male, 28) I should recognize that he is an example of success and determination, and as such, he can be viewed as a positive influence for many kids of his age.
Overhyped? Yes. Talented? Maybe. Media phenomenon? Without a doubt.
In the end... he hasn't harmed anyone, has he? What is really important is that he is an inspiring figure for many boys and girls that believe in a brighter future, and regarding this, I defend him too.
I personally found your post quite moving, If Justin brings hope and belief to the younger generation then shouldn't that be praised? instead of hated. People should have the freedom to choose what music they like whether it be Justin Bieber or People like Rihanna, to name a few. We are all 12 at some point and you like alot of crazy things at that age. Pokemon cards for example, whats all that about? But anyway, I was moving off the subject there.
I love the fact that you are committed to your profession and seem to enjoy it alot, something as simple as buying a CD can help you get an insight to what the students enjoy about the music and what they take back from it.
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The Small-Minded people who "fell asleep" due to the post being too long are just one of many these days, too many people are inpatient and/or one of them people who think it is cool to smoke. (but that topic is for another day and another thread)
I came on here to see what rating the IMDb users had given and the one star didn’t surprise me.
I scrolled down to the message boards to read what people were saying and was not surprised by the haters.
When I came across this topic, “In Defense of Justin Bieber”, I was pleasantly surprised to read that chrisclark1215 is not a 12 year old and is a teacher. This original post is a thoughtful response to a cultural phenomenon.
I don’t very often post on these boards and really had no intention of doing so in this case either. That is, until I started reading the replies. The more I read the more upset it made me. I’m not upset about the dislike of Justin Bieber, no one said you have to like him, but rather about the disrespect given to chrisclark1215, the disrespect given to an attempt at an honest discussion and yes, the disrespect given to a 17 year old boy.
I am a 26-year-old male. I like pop music. When I first heard about Bieber I was not interested in the least. When I first heard one of his songs I thought, “Okay, I get it but I doubt he’ll be around very long.” I did not give him much more thought. In the time that passed he appeared everywhere. I still didn’t feel the need to further investigate.
I heard that he was coming out with a movie and with the surrounding buzz I picked up a few facts that I had not previously known about him. Enough that it made me genuinely curious.
I love going to the movies, and so I decided that yes, I did want to see Never Say Never. After convincing some friends to come along (which was much easier than expected) we were off to the theatre, a group of twenty-somethings going to the late showing of Justin Bieber’s docu-concert. One friend predicted, “We’ll be the oldest ones there with no kids.” She wasn’t entirely correct. The small audience in attendance was made up of similarly aged people and not a kid to be seen.
I was impressed. More than that, I gained a new level of knowledge and respect for the Biebs. I didn’t like all the songs I heard but I certainly iTunesed the ones I did like. This led me here, to the Internet Movie Database. As I said, the rating and rants do not surprise me, but I really wanted to know why people hated this movie. Of course there is no significant reason I’ve read to dislike the movie, just hate for the singer.
First of all, I am disappointed that many of the people that post do not have the decency to read the entirety of what they are responding to. Secondly, I can only remember one poster saying that they had in fact gone to see this movie. There may have been more and if so I apologize, but I did read every response to this topic.
I wanted to know why people didn’t like the movie. What I learned was that people really don’t know why they “hate” Bieber. Though there are a lot of generalizations and blanket statements based in nothing but the writer’s frustrations and anger.
Some that I found particularly baffling and sad:
-He is just a distraction. --> Well, yeah. It’s pop music. -Justin Bieber is just a point of solidarity for (in this case) young girls to rally around. --> Don’t you and your friends share common interests in literature, music, art, etc.? -More focus should be spent on real people with real feelings and inspirations. (I think they meant aspirations?) --> That is not really fair to say. Celebrity, fame and success may not be the most attainable dreams, but they are reasons to work hard and take pride in yourself and what you do. (If the hater did mean inspiring, what I said still applies.) -Justin Bieber is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with music today. --> I agree that there is a LOT of dreck out there. The market and radio is oversaturated with pop music that is churned out and sounds completely unoriginal. If you actually stop to examine Bieber and his output though, you’ll see that it is in fact one of the truest representations of the pop tradition. -He is harmful. --> Sorry, I don’t understand that. -One person just said they wished Justin would cease to exist. --> Well that really isn’t an argument. -Another poster simply stated that Justin is a “fag”. --> Aside from the terribly offensive word, what does his sexual orientation have to do with the merits of his music or this movie? -It’s just about making money. --> Yes, the entertainment industry is a business. This is not news to anyone I think. -He’s over hyped. --> Most things are these days.
Here is what draws me in to Justin Bieber:
-He is a cultural phenomenon. You can’t ignore that. -The movie and his music are both entertaining. I like to be entertained. I like a LOT of different types of films and music but not everything has to be “figured out”. -He is 17 and acts like it. -I would rather see Bieber become famous and successful for being a pop star instead of people like Paris Hitlon or the Jersey Shore people or The Hills people becoming famous for being… socialites? I’m not sure exactly. What are they famous for? Being famous? -The movie is a pretty good concert experience for a cheap price. -Take away the lyrics and the songs are still pretty catchy. -He’s not uncomfortable being in the spotlight, but he is not yet polished when it comes to giving interviews. He doesn’t seem like a product. -He’s Canadian and owns it. In every interview I have seen, he mentions being Canadian. In his recent Rolling Stone cover story, Justin renounces the possibility of ever becoming a U.S. citizen. -He’s 17, so anything can happen.
If a movie like this had been made about The Beatles in 1962, not something like A Hard Day’s Night, but a heartfelt documentary, I’m guessing it would have had the same reaction then that Never Say Never has received, but today it would be studied by academics, philosophers, business experts, historians, etc. It would be treasured.
This is just the beginning of The Biebs’ career. It may fizzle out in the near future or it may turn into something we cannot foresee. After all, the kid has 50+ years of pop tradition/history/business to learn from, live up to and compete with.
As with anything, we have a choice. If you don’t like Justin Bieber, don’t listen to his music. Don’t go see this movie. Don’t buy his products.
The worst part is the hate. Producing that much negativity over someone that really has little or no affect on you whatsoever is completely toxic and is something that I will just never quite understand.
I completely agree. I have never understood people who thrive off of being hateful. Consider: all of the so-called "haters" on this board must have movies, celebrities, etc. that they like, but they actually prefer satying here and complaining. I don't know about you but, when I don't like something, I usually just ignore it. Case in point: I really didn't like last year's Winter's Bone. A lot of people did...I had to sit through it being praised at the Oscars, on every message board, just about everywhere move-related. I don't spend my time coming on these message boards, calling it trash and wasting my life on things I don't like. Was it kind of annoying to have to watch it have so much praise heaped upon it, when I didn't like it? Sure, a little, but it was easy to just move on. I think the biggest problem on these boards is that some people have not realized that their opinions are not facts. Musical interests, as interests in anything, are relative. I would sum it to pure immaturity...but I don't think that's the case. Not all of my students like Justin Bieber, as I mentioned, but they don't consistently bash him in front of the people who do. They've accepted that differences exist amongst them. Consider also: I teach ten to twelve-year-olds, and they are able to accept the thoughts and feelings of others, but so many of us (supposed) young adults and adults on these boards cannot do the same. Sad...
do you ever think about the people who grew up with abusive parents or broken homes that don't find inspiration in a money whoring teen idol? i understand you teach "special" kids or whatever, and i'm guessing they are the ones so "inspired" by his "success". i hope you are carefully proofreading this reply because i intentionally leave room for corrections just to waste your time, like you have done with 6 pages of *beep* i'm not a bieber fan, but i don't hate the guy either, hating is pointless, and making fun of him is more entertaining than any of his music or media he will publish, and you are basically just following your students lead, why don't you be the leader and teach them a real lesson about life for once, about how not to be sucked into mainstream garbage forced upon our youth through lack of a true understanding. good day sir.
How is he money-whoring? He's not spending his money buying mansions in LA, NYC, Toronto, Niagara...so, what? Inspiration does not have to be found in the monetary aspect of his story. Just in the fact that this kid had determination, strength, self-belief, righteousness...and that let him succeed. So, YES, is you are growing up with abusive parents, which is an awful situation that cannot be compared to the evils of some music industry, then I am 100% positive that a message coming from a teenager, like youself, encouraging self-belief and perseverance will help you strive.
If YOU cannot see that, then you had better re-think what it means to be an abused child. Insecurity, self-hatred, unworthiness, weakness....all of these are internal emotions. I'm sure that Justin Bieber may have undegone a few, with his lower class background, and the message is that he triumphed.
I have never been a huge fan of JB, but I find this argument compelling and I can completely see your point of view. It couldn't have been written better. And it not only works in defense of Bieber, but for all other artist who are mocked and 'hated on' for the simple fact somebody just doesn't like their music.