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Flaw in the science

posted 14 years ago by junkhotshot
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Lexx lost his power quickly because of the gravity gun. He was effectively moving slower, so he had to move "faster" which meant a quicker 24 hours perceived by everyone else... Problem is, the same thing would of happened to Superman when he picked the flowers or transported the mini city...

He would of aged so much his disease would of killed him... According to out crazt science, the faster you move, the more times slows down. He did more then 8 light years in about 30s (or less, we arent sure when he left)...

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[–] BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone 14 years ago

Coming from someone who keeps misspelling "would have" (or "would've"). Flaw in English.

[–] mazvlen 14 years ago

Maybe he could fold space.

[–] Strazdamonas 14 years ago

well he said its going to take him 3 weeks to get there so its not 30 seconds. and moving fast actually slows you down. sientifically if you mvoe at the speed of light from bystanders perspective you would nto be aging AT ALL. gravitation however does the same thing, but backwards. from other peoples perspective you seem to move slower, however fom your perspective you use more time to do things, thus he aged 500 times faster, while flying at the speed of light he wouldnt have aged faster.
there is a flaw in science, YOUR science.

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[–] junkhotshot 14 years ago

well he said its going to take him 3 weeks to get there so its not 30 seconds.

I am not talking about the three week trip, I am talking about when he got Lois the flowers...

while flying at the speed of light he wouldnt have aged faster.
there is a flaw in science, YOUR science.

Your wrong. He was not moving at the speed of light. He would moving MUCH faster. So either one of two things would happen: Either he would age an insane amount, or everyone else would.

If you look at it purely as "faster you move, the more slower you age", then Lois would of been long dead by the time he got back. He was moving over 2 million times faster then the speed of light...

BTW, even at 3 weeks of the speed of light, there is no stars (other then our own) that is within reach. Most other planets are 100's, 1000's and 10000's light years away (and those are just within our our galaxy).
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[–] Strazdamonas 14 years ago

it is true, he was flying much faster, and thus the earth population would be extinct by the time he got back, but thats comic book phyiscs for you. i mean we got lizards living underground that attempt to rule the world, multiple times.

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[–] BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone 14 years ago

You should spend as much time correcting the flaws in your spelling as you do pointing out the "flaws" in comic book movies.

[–] junkhotshot 14 years ago

Wow? Are you really such a loser that you feel the need to point out spelling mistakes? Give me a break, not everyones native language is English. But that is 100% besides the point, this is a discussing board, not grammar 101.

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[–] BrianRaess_Is_FinallyGone 14 years ago

Yes, it's a "discussing" board. You choose to discuss "science" and how it's not applied in a work of complete fiction wherein aliens knowingly exist on Earth and have super powers, and I choose to discuss the flaw in your spelling.

Are you such a loser that you can accept a man from another planet who can fly but has so much time on your hands that you can analyze how real-world science doesn't apply to time travel? Tell us Einstein, why aren't you explaining the flaw in the science of Superman's heat vision, or his super farts?

[–] joubqa 13 years ago

junkhotshot: "BTW, even at 3 weeks of the speed of light, there is no stars (other then our own) that is within reach. Most other planets are 100's, 1000's and 10000's light years away (and those are just within our our galaxy). "

The DC Universe is not exactly like ours (many different planets and stars for example), and I would assume the same is true for DC's Animated Universe, especially in this film since it's based on Morrison's original works taking place in the DCU (although out of the main Superman continuity). So, Superman's "earth" seems to have stars closer to it than ours (You know Superman isn't really living here on our earth in a city called Metropolis, right?... It's a different place with many similarities, but also many differences - like the the distance to stars, it seems).

[–] bumbl3bee 14 years ago

Scientific flaw in a comic/cartoon? I for one am shocked! Next you'll tell me the alien in E.T. wouldnt like candy.

[–] junkhotshot 14 years ago

Scientific flaw in a comic/cartoon? I for one am shocked! Next you'll tell me the alien in E.T. wouldnt like candy.

The reason why I mentioned it is because it was a vital part to the show. Why would gravity gun effect lex but not superman?

Its almost like they purposely ignored some of the science just to later use it as a twist....

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[–] kosk11348 14 years ago

What? A there was a flaw in the science of a cartoon that had Superman making tiny galaxies on his Universe anvil for his star-eating pet tentacle? I don't believe you.

Orgies are not too much fun if no one wants to do it with you.

[–] SilentJay32 13 years ago

Complaining about bad science in a story about a character who depends on bad science in order to exist is pretty pointless.

[–] angry_hatter 12 years ago

First, I assume that when Supes said it would be three weeks "Or even longer" he meant for Lois. If he is traveling near, or depending on how the physics work in the DC universe, equal or greater to, the speed of light the trip would have taken him a few hours *his* time but would be a couple of months earth time.

That means that even though he is gone for two earth months, end everyone on earth has aged that amount of time, Kal-El would only have aged the few hours it took him to get there and back at his speed.

The real science problem here, is increasing Luthor's gravity by a factor of five hundred. Yes, this would speed his rate of travel through time, but others should have seen him moving more slowly. Also, depending on the duration of the effects from the gravity gun things could have gone very badly for Luthor if his super powers wore off before the effects of the gun.

Not to mention that he would have small debris and possibly larger objects in orbit around him, depending on how the field works.

Yes, it's all fiction, comic book and cartoon, but it's fun to talk about in real world terms.

[–] Kammurabi 12 years ago

I noticed a lot of flawed science but it didn't interfere with liking the movie.
Surprised you didn't talk about some of the more obvious questionable things:

When he was creating small suns to feed to his pet sun-eater, how does he keep containment in that informal room with Lois just standing there? It wasn't even laboratory conditions with safety shielding (other than his body).
I can imagine the gravity and radiation fluctuations involved in such a process would likely vaporize any human in that room. This was before he gave Lois the serum too.

Also I'd love to know what type of material it is that he placed the dwarf star matter million ton key on. For an object with such small surface area and to be so massively dense to weigh a million tons, it would seem to take something very impressive to support it regularly with only minor cracks.

The energy absorption creature should die only in conditions of the absence of energy, and not because a building falls on him. Just like the bullets transferred kinetic energy, the falling rubble would do likewise.

At the end, the sun had changed to a blue star long enough for some newspapers to print photos and stories about it and that is more than long enough for the changes in light and heat radiation to drastically affect conditions on earth but it did not.

All of these things seem more obvious to me than the gravity gun issue.
We could pick out flaws against any movie though.

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[–] Daniel_Klugh 12 years ago

My biggest problem is that people seemed to have forgotten that Superman's flight super-power allows him to go faster than the Speed of Light!
(as well as travel through Time and into other dimensional planes)
I assume that Superman's flight power is basically playing games with inertia itself; affecting the field the pervades the Universe and causes objects to either stay still or continue moving.
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And where the Fortress of Solitude is concerned, anything goes because of the GodTech (tm) involved. It's like complaining that the TARDIS is un-realistic because it's bigger on the inside.
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And I don't think that the parasite creature was killed by the debris.

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[–] Ilyathe2nd (168) 4 months ago

I hate to be that guy, but the Sun is bluish tinted white already in reality. That was not your point, I get it, but we live with that blueish light already.