basic Avatar premise ignored?


In Avatar 1, the basic premise of the Avatar program is that the avatars are created from the avatar driver's own DNA, thus allowing them to link to each other via the linking chambers. Thus, the avatars must be operated by a DNA compatible human via the linking chamber to operate in the world of Pandora. The N'vi have the capability to transfer a human avatar driver's consciousness to his/her avatar via a religious rite in which the human must pass thru "the eye of Ewah", such as Jake Sully did at the end of Avatar 1, to (I assume) leave behind the human body of the driver and become permanently ensconced in their avatar body.

However, Avatar 2 gives us a group of "evil" avatars, that while they may have been created by the military from DNA of their respective owners, are still nonetheless avatars that need to be operated by drivers that are DNA matches...OR...have somehow been allowed to pass thru "the eye of Ewah" to become resident in their Avatar bodies. I have a really serious problem with either of these scenarios.

If the evil avatars are being driven by human DNA matches, why are we not told or shown that, or told how the DNA matches of the drivers came to be? Are they clones of the original humans that died in Avatar 1? Where are the linking chambers that the evil avatar drivers use explained? The labs on Pandora are controlled and protected by the humans that chose to remain after all the rest of the humans were evicted at the end of Avatar 1 and who are still in control at the opening of Avatar 2. Are the military linking labs in space around Pandora? How far does the link between the avatar and the human driver extend? Could a driver exist on Earth and drive an avatar on Pandora? In which case, why send avatar drivers 7 years into space to drive their avatars on Pandora? Obviously some close proximity to Pandora's surface is required for the link between human drivers and their avatars is required.

And, if the evil avatars do NOT have human drivers, that means that somehow, some N'vi religious leader led the rite to allow the humans to pass thru the "eye of Ewah" and I have a very, very hard time accepting that any N'vi religious leader would do this or the Ewah would allow any human to pass thru her eye that had obvious intent to harm her many treasured children. This is a very, VERY big hole in the plot of Avatar 2, IMO, and while I have watched the movie 2x now, it still bugs me, as it did almost immediately the 1st time I watched it. I mean, it's obvious (to me anyway), that this aspect of the film was glossed over from the very beginning, perhaps hoping fans wouldn't notice this glaring continuity problem from the first film to the second.

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It is a different technology. This time they created avatars and used memory imprint of dead soldiers. It is not a resurrection or spirit transfer, it is a new being with fake memory. They can be mass produced with multiple copies of them all with the same memory imprint, and I don't think they even need human DNA in them.

The danger is that how to make sure they are loyal, more identified with human instead of natives. Because they are natives physically.

Avatars are a lot safer, because it was a human being in control. These guys can easily turn, just like John Sully.

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The Avatars must be driven by human drivers with a DNA match to the avatars. This point is firmly established in the first film. Regardless of being able to download a human's memories and personalities to a new avatar, and being able to transfer that data to an avatar, the avatar still needs a human driver with a DNA match for the avatar to function. This issue is NOT addressed in the new film in regard to the "evil avatars" and remains a major plot hole, IMO. The entire rest of the film depends on fans not questioning this major plot hole. Just as the evil colonel targeted Jake in his linking chamber at the end of Avatar 1, why can't the N'vi target the liking chambers the evil avatars are operating from?

The entire premise of this second film is based on aspects of the avatar program the first film lays down and then totally ignores. I am very good at suspension of disbelief when it comes to any media but this film asks me to totally disregard anything laid down as canon in the first film, and I have a serious problem with that.

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There is no driver, so no need for DNA match anymore. The DNA match is supposed to help establishing mental links, but now there is no mental link to establish.

It is just a cloned native body with memory imprint.

I can't see why this is not obvious.

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They explained it three times. In like fifteen minutes. Probably more times since I fast-forwarded the boring bits.

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Stick to Transformers if this stuff is too complicated for you.

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The way I see, the "passage through the eye of Eywa" is somewhat an equivalent process to the "memory imprint" tech by humans. The same way the Navi can plug themselves with animals or Eywa like USB devices, or whales have wifi connection between them.

The problem to me is, why did you bother with the whole Avatar driver program from the first movie (which required actual human travel to Pandora), if you had the tech to send Navi clones with a memory imprint instead? Yes, you'd still need some actual authorities and commanders to lead the operation there, but not jarheads, and especially not jarheads on a wheelchair. If they just sent a Navi clone with the memories of Sully's brother, the whole premise of the first movie is pointless.

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Yep its bad, Avatar 2 isn't really about Avatars anymore. The one cool concept got abandoned quickly in favour of the worst cowboys and Indians nonsense I have seen in a long time.

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>Avatar 2 isn't really about Avatars anymore.

Lol, how true and succinct

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