is it as bad as this movie? - Contagion (2011) Discussion

[–] bozo_500 (13119) 5 years ago

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1241101964609384453

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[–] bozo_500 (13119) 5 years ago

I still got that strange feeling it all might be BS whipped up by the media and whoever.

Like a huge conspiracy I guess

Its like something just smells off about it all. The lockdowns. The fear. The 1984ness

I mean ok its probably real but theres all the coincidences.. like the way everyone was moaning about GW then suddenly everything shuts down? its almost like someone found out earth is going to go 2012 if action not taken like now so this has been concocted as it was the only way to do it (and as a way to get rid of old/sick)

And why is china sort of getting away with it?.. I mean if it was their fault because of batsoup or some bioweapon released by accident or on purpose shouldn't everyone be screaming blue murder at them yet everyone just seems like 'oh its ok these things happen.. shh dont be racist'

Even the way this Contagion movie is seemingly exactly the same scenario as is currently happening.. almost as if its an exact template for what's happening

Its nothing no one hasn't already thought or said already on twitter etc I guess..

Its just so strange.. abit like JFK or the moon landing or 9/11 ... theres always conspiracies when something truly 'out there' happens of course and this is going to have a bundle (but as in most conspiracies its probably the simplest explanation that's the real deal)

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

"And why is china sort of getting away with it?.. I mean if it was their fault because of batsoup or some bioweapon released by accident or on purpose shouldn't everyone be screaming blue murder at them yet everyone just seems like 'oh its ok these things happen.. shh dont be racist'"

LOL. You've been watching too much neocon theater.

So when the Spanish Flu that originated in Haskell County, Kansas in the 1918 pandemic that disproportionately killed off the young, shouldn't the world have been screaming bloody murder at Americans?

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[–] bozo_500 (13119) 5 years ago

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

It looks like James Woods is a lot dumber than I thought.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-illegal-to-record-video-in-a-hospital

You're still convinced this is all a hoax? Why not go visit Queens Stadium in NY which is being converted into a coronavirus hospital by US Army Engineers to house the sick. Or the Moscone West convention center in San Francisco, or Qwest Field in Seattle, or whichever major metropolitan is closest to you.

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[–] AnubisRaydeen (7897) 5 years ago

Funny how none of those "emergency ad-hoc hospitals" got used. Central park, Date Festival grounds, Mercy ship, the list goes on and on. Our medical technocrats overshoot their predictions by huge amounts and everyone reacts to their forecasts/models instead of the data as it is.
Yes, it is serious. Yes, you should take precautions. No, it is nowhere near what you see in this movie. It is a double potency flu that puts the old, frail, or high health risk at higher than average risk. The numbers are not much worse than regular numbers. Worse than last year's flu but not as many deaths as 2018 flu yet. People are being freaked out on purpose.

Ask why.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

If the overloading of our healthcare system wasn't real you might have a point with your conspiracy theorizing. You try to get a bed with a ventilator right now in a metro city and get turned away. This is indisputable. It is sidelining entire wards.

You have to factor in the fact that we've practically shut down our entire society to mitigate the numbers. You can't just point at the infection and mortality rates right now and think that's a fair reflection of what it would be had such drastic measures not been enforced.

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[–] aavfreak (3322) 5 years ago

Do you have a link to a credible source for this? I'd like to read up on it.

You try to get a bed with a ventilator right now in a metro city and get turned away. This is indisputable. It is sidelining entire wards.

Thanks.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

Geez have you been living under a rock? I tried to schedule my annual physical last month and couldn't get an appointment, my GP was booked to the ceiling only seeing coronavirus patients.

These stories aren't hard to find.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/04/25/einstein-medical-center-coronavirus/
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-patient-experience-new-york-emergency-room-test-2020-4
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/19/nyregion/new-york-new-jersey-coronavirus-hospitals.html
https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/3/22/21188715/covid-19-chicago-hospitals-coronavirus-roseland-community-hospital-rush-pandemic-strain-supplies

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Most articles you posted are near a month old and full of speculation. Much of that speculation has been shown to be overblown. The most recent story is the new Jersey resident suffered diabetes and mild conditions from covid. Diabetes is one of the bigger comorbidities with this bug. But his situation was tragic while most facilities are following governor's orders to only take covid patients. Had they kept the hospitals working normally, he probably wouldn't have been turned away. All this because the overhyped horror stories from the media, misinformation from the WHO, the lockdown recommendations of the CDC, and governors shutting down services. The reason your GP has a full schedule of "covid" is because people are using it to get in, they're most likely not suffering from the disease.

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[–] aavfreak (3322) 5 years ago

Yep, it's mostly all panic and hysteria. If all the hype wasn't there, the rest of the issues don't happen either.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

It's a good time for people to review old reports and compare them to what we see today. If that doesn't put things into perspective, I don't know what will.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

"The reason your GP has a full schedule of "covid" is because people are using it to get in, they're most likely not suffering from the disease."

Are you for real? After alleging the articles I provided are full of "speculation", you resort to your own fully unsupported speculation to dismiss my problems scheduling with my GP?

"But his situation was tragic while most facilities are following governor's orders to only take covid patients. Had they kept the hospitals working normally, he probably wouldn't have been turned away."

I'm starting to notice a pattern of how you come up with bullshit explanations. Show me the orders from governors who ordered hospitals to only take Covid patients and show me the hospitals following such orders.

And who cares if two of the four articles I provided are a month old? The point is that our healthcare system in metro areas were/are being pushed to capacity, and it's not because of governor orders to only take covid patients. Is this something Sean Hannity told you? Because FYI he's not reliable.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Actually, that's my state,Minnesota that doesn't allow elective services. Individual hospitals determine restrictions beyond the CDC.

Your articles came out long before the antibodies were tested in New York and California. Both show the rate of infection is higher, but that the death rate is exponentially lower than projections from the time your articles were written.

I live next to the most populated area of Minnesota. Not only are the hospitals not overrun, but they're actually furloughing nurses and hospital staff.

Call it what you will, but you're promoting a media driven fantasy of death and horror that isn't what was promoted a month ago.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

"you're promoting a media driven fantasy of death and horror"

Hardly. I'm pointing out that regardless of the mortality rate that it's overtaxing the healthcare system and that's been my personal experience.

You're the one resorting to conspiracy theorizing to explain away people getting turned away and why I wasn't able to get an appointment with my GP.

"Minnesota that doesn't allow elective services. Individual hospitals determine restrictions beyond the CDC"

This is vastly different than the bullshit you were pushing originally of hospitals only taking Covid patients on governor orders.

From an economic and common sense perspective your conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense. You're trying to claim the labor shortage of medical personnel is not because of the surge in demand from Covid patients, but because hospitals are being restricted from offering elective services so those that desire elective treatment are going to ER and saying they have Covid. Do you have any idea just how loony toons you sound?

As for mortality rate, the best present estimates based on NY's latest serology data is .9% which is pretty close to the 1% death rate reported a month ago. So what's your point?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/in-search-of-the-covid19-ifr

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[–] aavfreak (3322) 5 years ago

Living under a rock? Sure, if that's what you call reality. None of what you posted supports your statement.

Instead, what we have are things like this:

Roseland Community Hospital has operated at about 90% of capacity each day since nearby MetroSouth Medical Center closed last year.

And that’s before the coronavirus outbreak hit.

Then it goes on to tell about what they expect (hysteria). And talk about being overwhelmed by... wait for it... all the testing. (panic).

None of it supports anything about this statement:

You try to get a bed with a ventilator right now in a metro city and get turned away. This is indisputable. It is sidelining entire wards.

Try reading beyond the headline and speculation FFS.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

I take it you don't know any medical professionals.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

I do. My brother is a firefighter who works ambulance shifts, my brother in law is a cardiologist, I have 6 nurses in my unit, and my best friend is psychologist.

They all agree the media is making things seem worse than it really is.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

Ok but you live in Minnesota where there are less than 6k infected. That explains your insularity.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Sure. Funny thing is, our news reports the hysteria like you even though that's not the reality. This movie was a MN CDC employee concept to promote vaccines (his words on NPR). In the army, we have a resiliency technique called putting it into perspective. You take a situation to it's most absurd bad result. Then you take it to it's most absurd good result. The absurd is meant to break the bias. So, as soon as your done, you ask what the most likely result will be. I recommend you try this. It's from the Boston school of Psychology. Its a CBT technique.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

lol. I'm not talking about this movie, I'm talking about real life.

Maybe that's your problem, you think this movie is a fair representation of what's going on right now. Except no one is making that claim.

FYI: You don't have to 'imagine' the bad result. Just look at NY city's current numbers based on the latest data from my link above. The most recent estimate from New York State’s on-going blood antibody (serology) testing suggests that 24.7% of New York City residents have COVID19 antibodies and were infected with the disease.

The high infection rate and high rate of hospitalization is what is causing the paralysis in the healthcare system. Not your bizarre conspiracy theory about fictional governor orders shutting down hospitals to all but Covid patients.

Your bias is trying to extrapolate your situation in Minnesota as a worst case and trying to explain the news you see of what's happening in New York with conspiracy theories.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Actually I just dont agree with you. That's it. You're posting on a movie site because because you're probably bored and looking for stimulation. That's why you eat up all these articles on the coronavirus. Sorry, but you're in a little bubble of newsertainment. It's not surprising.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

You're the one citing this movie into your fictional conspiracy narrative, not me.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Lol. Ok boomer.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

lulz. You missed on guessing my age by about two generations.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

Ok boomer.

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[–] aavfreak (3322) 5 years ago

You see? Everything always devolves to this type of nonsense.

"This is indisputable"
"Are you living under a rock?"
"I take it you don't know any medical professionals."
YOU JUST WANT OLD PEOPLE TO DIE!!1!!!

There's no actual *evidence* to support your claim that,"You try to get a bed with a ventilator right now in a metro city and get turned away. This is indisputable. It is sidelining entire wards."

Outside of NYC, where is the sensational overwhelming of the health care system? (again not due to induced panic for testing).

Even for those that do know medical professionals, their stories are anecdotal at best. At worst, it's like asking your car mechanic about automobile reliability statistics.

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[–] BreakbeatSavant (413) 5 years ago

"Even for those that do know medical professionals, their stories are anecdotal at best."

What do you think newspaper accounts are genius? They're anecdotal.

I'm in NY and this has been my reality the past month.

And yes, it has been sidelining wards because of medical staff being overexposed, testing positive, and requiring quarantine for a couple weeks causing the labor shortage of qualified medical professionals.

"again not due to induced panic for testing"

Panic testing eh? You think people are going to expose themselves to the sick at hospitals in order to get tested if they're not sick themselves? You conspiracy theorists should lay off the crack.

Not like that would work anyway when hospitals won't admit you if you don't show symptoms. Even if you're infected you're instructed to stay home if you're asymptomatic.

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[–] aavfreak (3322) 5 years ago

And yet again, you do nothing to address the validity of this claim: "You try to get a bed with a ventilator right now in a metro city and get turned away. This is indisputable. It is sidelining entire wards."

You are speaking from your own personal experience in a hot spot that I've already conceded does have a problem, NYC.

Please show your work for your claim.

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[–] [deleted] 5 years ago

The disease is not like the one in this movie. It's not as deadly.

The reaction to this disease is pretty bad, but the overreacted because they had bad info from China and the WHO.

The sun still shines, the wind blows, and watching the news is not being informed so much as being entertained.

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[–] CheekyMonkey (584) 5 years ago

the 'rona is bad (because of the high hospitalisation rate and high contagion rate)... but it's not anywhere close to the virus in this movie... the one in this movie is like airborne ebola, with an infection rate higher than measeles...

the 'rona is very contagious, has a kill rate of around 1-2% if your health system is functioning (that's still lots of people. most of us have a few hundred acquaintences)... but it has a higher kill rate if your health system is overwhelmed because it has a high hospitalisation rate (in the double digits %)...

just wear a mask (of any kind) if in public and keep away from people for a few months... if enough of us do this, we should be able to continue functioning as societies and both our economic and healthcare systems should be able to handle it... without falling into an orwellian nightmare...

there is a risk of the virus and a risk from the response to the virus... we need to manage both risks, not one or the other...

media is just focused on hyping whatever story is the biggest (it's a machine)... if there is a big war, that will take the headlines... don't worry about fighting media battles... just focus on your family, your health, your living and your rights...

and watch a few more movies during this period... there will be hard times, but life will go on...

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[–] bozo_500 (13119) 5 years ago

The 'Rona is the real deal.. we be at 12 Monkeys soon (can't believe I left that one off the OP)

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[–] TheArgentinian (7073) 5 years ago

2 months later after you asked this, and yeah. It got as bad as this movie showed.

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[–] uridon2 (184) 5 years ago

it's nowhere near as bad as it was in the film, fuck off ya wankers

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[–] freater (0) 5 years ago

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NY - 411,009 / 31,213

USA - 2,352,835 / 122,237

WORLD - 9,024,675 / 469,389

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