Did he kill Caleb?
Did he?
sharereally !!!you spoil the movie for me , as soon as i open the IMDB page saw your comment, no need to open msg board, your question is shown on main page, are you familiar by spoiler alert
shareObviously it was unconfirmed but I gotta say, Caleb was a duntz for slipping multiple times. He was saved once and then slips again after John took the cable off the pulley.
That's just tempting fate too unabashedly.
Of course. How is that even a question?
shareWhile I am ultimately unsure, I felt that Caleb may have left because John saved his life, not once, but twice in a row. As jealous as John may have been, I do not feel that he would have let Caleb die.
Signature.
All the arguments given, and all the action in the film, and all of the characterization, are consistent with the idea that two posters have put forward. Loomis lets Caleb live on the condition that Caleb leaves. And it's actually unclear how realistic Anson as a refuge is, so asking him to leave is not a death sentence, but it might be.
Caleb understands that the trio cannot live together, and that Loomis' demand is pragmatic and not unreasonable. He chooses a 50-50 chance of survival over death.
Loomis understands the same thing about the trio dynamic, of course. He gets to take Caleb out of the picture without the extreme guilt of having killed him, and he avoids the enormous hassle of having to get rid of the body. As an engineer, he's going to be smart enough to think of this solution.
Loomis does feels some guilt over sending Caleb off with little or nothing in the way of provisions, but he knows it was a necessary and pragmatic choice. He doesn't like to lie to Ann, so he gets to tell her truthfully that Caleb has chosen to leave.
Caleb probably asked Loomis if he could at least go back and get his stuff, and Loomis knew himself well enough to realize that if he let him do that, he might lose his resolve to do what he needed to do. So he said no. And Caleb did tell him that Ann could have the stuff he left behind -- perhaps because he felt a little guilt for using Ann sexually, aware the whole time that she had a deeper emotional connection to Loomis (although a stronger physical attraction to him, and a more natural connection due to their shared background).
So Loomis gets to tell Ann the truth.
Ann does understand that Caleb would not leave willingly, and surmises that there was some confrontation where Loomis forced Caleb to leave. And that it's for the good. But it's tinged with melancholy and regret, nevertheless.
Prepare your minds for a new scale of physical, scientific values, gentlemen.share
I always thought Loomis let Caleb die, but then again all the scenes of guilty (cliff scene, music scene in church) could also reflect on John forcing Caleb to leave.
if John forced Caleb to leave, right then and there, Caleb would leave with the suit. The suit is very important, and lets people leave and go long distances. Caleb with the suit and no provisions is probably better than no suit and some provisions, as it wouldn't matter if you had food and drink but no radiation protection.
And John most likely did what the previous poster said, you have to leave right now, no getting your stuff or changing your mind when you get back.
And then afterwards, when John tells Ann about Caleb leaving, he feels suicidal about doing what he did and forcing a man out of a sage haven for his own selfish needs. He also listens to her music as a way of penance, and Ann is sad that her (maybe first love?) or the one she chose is gone.
Regardless of whether John killed Caleb or made him leave, the fact of the matter is that he's gone. That is why Ann is sad. Looking back at all the evidence, John most likely forced Caleb to leave, instead of risk damaging the wheel or trying to hide the body without the suit.
if John forced Caleb to leave, right then and there, Caleb would leave with the suit. The suit is very important, and lets people leave and go long distances. Caleb with the suit and no provisions is probably better than no suit and some provisions, as it wouldn't matter if you had food and drink but no radiation protection....it should be noted that although the movie makes it clear that Caleb's gear is left behind (ostensibly with Caleb letting Ann have possession of said gear) there is the theoretical POSSIBILITY (and plot plausibility) that Caleb has taken Loomis's survival cart, that got Loomis quite a far distance with. Which of course would be much more valuable setup to have.
He let him fall. The knowing sneer on caleb's face as he looked at John holding the cable said it all. Later, he stood on the precipice imagining it. Then in a moment of symbolism, Ann ever-so-slowly pushed the glass off the table.
The killing of her brother was foreshadowing, even if that was just a mercy killing.
The whole thing was kind of ham-fisted.
Movies are IQ tests; the IMDB boards are how people broadcast their score.
Most likely, yes.
Him leaving all of a sudden and without any of his stuff makes litte sense.
When I'm gone I would like something to be named after me. A psychiatric disorder, for example.
Even if Caleb agreed to leave, due to being "forced" by Loomis, there is no guarantee that he wouldn't hide somewhere for a few days and come back and kill Loomis.
Loomis isn't stupid, and he'd realize this, that he'd always need to watch his back. So the only way to have a peaceful life would be to kill Caleb.
Sure he did. Given an opportunity as he was he saw his chance and let go of the roap. Then after Caleb had fallen and was dead picked up the roap dragged him up and probably buried him. If he had´nt Caled would probably have killed him soon after. The only reason he did´nt before was for that wheel to be built something Caleb did´nt know how to build on his own. Loomis must have known that being also more of a spotter of bad men than the more naive Ann. Caleb were working her on the notion that Caleb was the odd man out.
shareThen after Caleb had fallen and was dead picked up the roap dragged him up and probably buried him.Ha! The rope! Excellent point! During all the speculation on this thread about why it would be difficult for Loomis to extract Caleb's body from the contaminated water...I think you are the first to mention that the attached rope would make that a simple enough process...assuming the rope itself was long enough.
I think the first time Caleb slipped, the already worn out costume must have broken and he got some water into his boots. Since he had already received some radiation before (his lips were badly burnt), perhaps Caleb thought he wasn't going to live too long. So he decided to leave.
share