i feel tired of Fiona. her complete lack of self control is infuriating and toxic to the rest of the family. i find myself frequently cheering for all the men she dumps on to flat out sock her in the face. how the entire neighborhood doesn't refer to her as the town tramp is beyond me. she probably gets around more than Svetlana. i just had to rant. that is all.
Nice to see some people not excuse her terrible behavior.
shareFrom the rumors going around, she will only become more self-serving in season 7. I'm 50/50 on her; she makes me mad because she is responsible for her family and seemed to lose all parental qualities after she took custody of the kids, but Rossum plays her so well, I deal with how unlikeable she is.
shareI've been rewatching since it's all on Netflix now. Thing about Fiona being "responsible" for the kids is that she never really wanted or understood her responsibility. She just did what she thought she had to do to keep them out of foster care at that particular time. Both the judge and Jimmy warned her of what being guardian meant. She heard it but she never absorbed it. She knows she their guardian on paper but she really wants to be their sister. Even though she has sacrificed so much to care for her siblings and keep stuff together, she subconsciously wants to break out, say *beep* IT, and be about herself like everyone else has ths luxury of doing. This seeps out in her behavior time and again. Also, it was never REALLY just on her until Lip went away to college and Ian ran off to the army. The three oldest have always taken on the little ones together. It was just Fiona who dropped out to work and take care of the household the best she knew how. When her brothers and Jimmy left she was really on her own and she didn't know how to "step up" because the bar has been set so low. There really is no standard there to live up to..success to her was just getting through school and staying out of trouble. She didn't know how to talk to Debs about boys and sex. She couldn't see the signs of Carl's criminality until it was too late. She really has no clue how to raise her siblings (or anybody's children) and deep down, she (understandably) doesn't want to.
shareI couldn't agree more. Fiona is by far my favorite character on Shameless. I use to adore Kev and V's relationship, it was solid, now it feels like a cartoon.
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Whoa, Fiona apologist detected!
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Hey, this musician guy is pretty cool! Let's get married! Oh wait, Jimmy's back?!? I'm going to sex him up and treat him like crap. Fiona is a *beep* person.
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her complete lack of self control is infuriating and toxic to the rest of the family.
i find myself frequently cheering for all the men she dumps on to flat out sock her in the face. how the entire neighborhood doesn't refer to her as the town tramp is beyond me. she probably gets around more than Svetlana.
Threads like this is exactly why I have to take long breaks from this board…
Bodyshaming is perhaps the only thing Fiona isn't getting - Imagine if she wasn't as attractive as she is, the hate would be even worse. But yes, the Debbie hate is just as painful and hard to read. Definitely the down-side to being on sites like this.
I love this show and created this IMDB account to talk about Shameless, but it's been harder and harder to find a slightly intelligent life in this board.
Netflix now has all six seasons of Shameless available, and there is a lot of people finding out about the show now. So let's hope Netflix bring some smart people here. People actually interested in the complexity of the characters.
shareI love this show and created this IMDB account to talk about Shameless, but it's been harder and harder to find a slightly intelligent life in this board.
pardon me if I'm wrong, but it appears you're attacking my opinion out of a sexist point of view, which I'm not, so i don't excuse fionas bad behavior and point fingers at adolescent boys mistakes instead. Ian is bi polar, his mistakes are understandable. Lip is the only person in the house who is semi-stable, but his choices are usually mired by *beep* luck, being unsure of his future, and relying on the wrong people at the wrong time. Frank is a long time alcoholic and drug addict. If you know one, you know that many times, there is next to nothing that will get a junkie to stop. Fiona...is in her 20's, is technically the functioning adult of the house, has no mental illness, has no drug or alcohol abuse, yet frequently chooses to completely screw over all the people around her for the next guy who swoops in with a one liner and decent looks. They all have problems, but I find myself not caring about fionas anymore. through the first 5 seasons her biggest worries were about how to explain to one dude why another dude was in her pants the night before...multiple times. it gets old, fast. I like emmy rossum, she plays the part well, but fiona is too predictable and tiresome.
sharebut it appears you're attacking my opinion out of a sexist point of view, which I'm not, so i don't excuse fionas bad behavior and point fingers at adolescent boys mistakes instead.
^Yes to all of this, and yes, the OP made that post even more sexist.
Lip is not only having multiple partners, but he has a history of being emotionally abusive. He treated Mandy and Amanda like shït, he used the blond girl from season 6 just for sex and treated her like garbage because she called the ambulance to help him. And he used to pathologically stalk Karen and Helene, destroying the professional life of the latter when he irresponsibly took a picture of her naked. Oh, but he is just an unlucky guy while Fiona is just a whore. Bitch, please.
I'm not even gonna talk about Ian and especially Frank.
Lip (on my avatar, btw) is one of my favorite characters on the show because of he is a very complex and interesting character, just like Fiona is.
The OP's post shows that he has a problem particularly with Fiona's sex life. cough slutshaming cough
lots of overly sensitive bitches on here if you ask me. MY post was stating that I am tired of Fiona and her boring struggle to keep faithful for 2 weeks. Every other character for the most part has kept me entertained by being more than 1 dimensional. If i were sexist, maybe I'd have also taken a stab at debbie, or monica for being a worthless mother to them all, but no. Fionas struggle to not be passed around has gotten stale. Her character is too one sided for me to enjoy because her priorities all revolve around pretty much the same conflict, which has not held my attention for 6 full seasons. Why don't I hate frank? because frank is still amusing to watch. I honestly don't know what frank will do next, and that keeps me interested in his character. Because I don't find anything compelling about fionas lackluster character has nothing to do with sexism. I also find many of the examples people are using against me as nil, as teenage boys and girls alike jump around and make mistakes and don't know what they want. DO you really expect anyone to hold a 15 year old accountable for not taking relationships seriously? The show is shameless, and all the characters have their evil sides, but just to remind all the man haters out there, the topic was my dislike with fionas character, not a comparison chart of who did what worse. Frank can be a swine all he wants, because at least he's fun to watch, which is all this was about to begin with, not your sexist drivel. thank you.
shareJust because you can't see complexity in Fiona, doesn't mean she isn't a complex character. And the problem with sexism I'm talking about is because you ignore and diminish all of her complexity and put it on a box of her hook ups. That's where the sexism lies. You can't see the complexity of a human being, but a "lackluster" woman full of hook ups.
share"a woman full of hook ups...." You mean a slut?
shareOh, but he is just an unlucky guy while Fiona is just a whore. Bitch, please.
And it's also funny that whenever you try to defend female characters, (some) people assume you are a woman. Like if a man cannot understand or support feminism.
shareAgree completely aeceity. I don't understand why people expect Fiona to be perfect and make no mistakes. She grew up with a *beep* childhood while having to take care of all of her siblings. I'd say she's doing great considering all she's been through.
shareI don't understand why people expect Fiona to be perfect and make no mistakes. She grew up with a *beep* childhood while having to take care of all of her siblings. I'd say she's doing great considering all she's been through.
I don't really mind Fiona. I mean, yeah she's gotten predictable in her promiscuity and lack of control, but the rest of the family was exposed to much more toxicity than what she's brought. Granted she hasn't helped it at all, but I don't think she was necessarily the one to mess them up except for maybe Liam.
In regards to the men in her life, I have just felt really neutral to a lot of them. The only one I've kind of liked is Sean because they kind of match each other in terms of how badly they've messed up their own lives, but at least Sean is trying to be on track. Then again, Fiona makes strides to do that, but she often gets sidetracked by her ostensible addiction to sex. And I'm halfway through season 6 right now, and I honestly feel like Gus has no right to be as big a dick as he's being. After all, he met her when she was swooning after a dude who had a live in girlfriend, then married her after like, no time at all. So when it all went to crap now he's acting like a kicked puppy. He knew what he was getting into and if he didn't, he shouldn't have married her. But him coming around once in a while seemingly acting like he's being a nice guy (being nice and "happy" when he sees her at his show, just to sing F Word, showing up to sign over the house to her) just to immediately turn on her and be like "you ruined everything, why should I do XYZ for you?" I'm like, yeah sorry bro I don't feel bad for you at all. He stuck it in dysfunction, then married it, here are the consequences.
I think that's reflective of Fi being around after like season 2, on the british version she left about that time. She never had to get more complex, and I think the writers of this one, though they are great, kind of stalled on what to do when Emmy was so popular. I didn't like the prison storyline, but I did like that they were trying. If they had let her develop after that it would have been more satisfying.
Debbie kind of suffered the same way. In the british version she figured out that mooning over a boy, and getting knocked up, was stupid. Then when Fi left Debbie had to step up and be the "parent" which she did better than Fiona.
So, by not replacing characters every so often the US version has become a little stale on some points. I like this trend though, because we are getting to delve further into character... if they will just go there.
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Do you remember Jessica Rabbit stating, "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way." Well Fiona could say, "I'm not bad. I'm just written that way." Fiona is a tramp, without a doubt. On a side note, I thought Debs character was way more interesting when she was a precocious 11 year old as opposed to the love-sick wannabe woman that she is now.
shareDebbie has never been interesting.... the show would have been much better if they had removed her from the original script.