Immigrants vs Illegal immigrants

Ok,
You are born in a third world country where the government is corrupt and poverty is abundant. Homicide rates are through the roof and theft, rape, vandalism, muggings, ect have gotten so out of control that you pray every day that you or your children will not encounter a criminal on the way home. Your parents were poor, your grand parents were poor, all of your relatives are poor. And by poor I don't mean I work at Walmart making minimum wage living in a apartment. By poor I mean, I make a less than a dollar an hour breaking my back in a factory with horrible working conditions that will probably give me a terminal disease by the time I am 35. I cant leave this job because it is the only job out there and there is absolutely no government help or alternative work I can do. My children are already ON THE STREET standing in traffic stops selling bubble gum or washing windshields or begging for spare change, and that is because I have the job I have. If I didn't have the job I have, they(along with me)would have it much much worse. My children are not in school because the education system is so pathetically worthless, only with a tremendous amount of luck and study would you amount to anything(by anything I mean very little). Plus there is almost no time to go to school when EVERYONE in the family has to pitch in money somehow to stay alive.

The government doesn't give a flying *beep* about you or the people, and they turn your country's economy into their own private bank account. They are living like kings in their mansions, and thousands of children are dying of starvation in the street. Too many children become criminals because their environment has taught them that stealing or killing is a much more efficient way to put food in their family's mouth.

So now you hear about this country. In this country, the police come to help you and not exploit you. It is actually mandatory for your children to go to school! And you actually get government help if you can't provide for them! You can make more in a DAY than you can in a MONTH working a job that is so much easier than the one you have now. Criminals are actually prosecuted!! Libraries and hospitals are actually existent!! There is an endless amount of food in every supermarket unlike in your home country!! Between that country and yours, there is no comparison.

The catch is, you have to live in this new country illegally. There absolutely no other way of getting in, because that requires money or other requirements that you don't have. Sounds good if you can get out of the sh*thole you are in.

Next time you ask why immigrants from ANY country come here illegally, please know that they are not doing it out if malice, to purposely break laws, or to make the world worse.

Jump, i'll catch you

You've said it best! Right on! Don't break the laws, no worries!

Yep, well said. I was frankly quite shocked when I realised the attitude many Americans have towards illegal immigration and how lax you are towards them.

I guess because the USA is a super-power and many Americans have this America#1 mentality they think the USA is God's gift to mankind where everyone has the right to live. Americans feel free to enlighten me because that's the only thing I can think of...

I know of no other country in the world that will turn a blind eye more often to this law-breaking. And people speak of empathy? I think the average person understands perfectly well why people break the law to make a better life for themselves. People growing up in rough neighbourhoods who turn to drug crimes and theft aren't doing it for the laughs either. Yet the average person also understands why there is a rule of law and why it needs to be upheld. Other people are hurt by illegal immigration, just like they are by theft and the drug trade. Illegal immigrants will not pay tax and are therefore cheaper for businesses to recruit. Locals are then forced to take lower and lower wages to keep up, leading to mass poverty and further black market work since the locals otherwise can't keep up with illegals. In economics this is known as a "race to the bottom."

I've always known the USA was owned by Wallstreet and that corporations control your country to a great degree but I didn't realise it was this bad.

I can take this movie for the human interest story it is yet I can't sympathise with it since it's essentially about people who think the world owes them a good living. There's something known as playing the cards you were dealt. Anybody anywhere can become rich. To quote the infamous Albus Dumbledore: (:D) "There comes a time when you must choose between what is right and what is easy." And that's exactly how I feel about illegal immigrants. They've chosen the easy path, not the right one.

No human being is illegal. They are workers who just happened to have been born on the other side of a border. Borders are not set in stone. They are man-made and changeable. There is a saying, “We didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us.”

The US economy would fall apart without the work of immigrant labor. The ruling class knows this. They have no intention of stopping illegal immigration, only of keeping undocumented workers in a second class status that makes them easier to exploit. Undocumented workers are just the latest scapegoats. First it was “welfare queens,” then immigrants, and now public employees.

A percentage of immigrants’ labor goes to pay for social programs such as unemployment, workers compensation, and social security. Many immigrants who contribute to these programs are afraid to apply for them when they are eligible in fear that their immigration status will be found out. I’ve seen arguments both ways but you can make a good case that immigrants contribute far more to the US economy than they take away. Although, frankly I don’t really care which argument is correct. Workers from other countries are our brothers and sisters. I welcome them.

Hello, Im an illegal inmigrant and I speak perfectly broken english. I've been reading all the responses to this post and the ignorance (I don't mean that in a bad way) in the people posting is big and understandable because I don't think anyone of them own hundreds of acres of land with fruit to be picked; constructions companies with buildings to be built; restaurants or lawn services/maintenance companies, houses to be cleaned etc, etc, etc. Once you have the need for small help you will understand a little bit about immigration.
I was happy working in Mexico making 120 dlls a week ten years ago, but when somebody calls you and ask if you want to get the triple of what you are making for less work in a far place with better infrastructure, better services, amazing parks and top of the world entertainment... what are you going to say?
I got here and by the next month the boss (a Gringo)calls me and ask me if I know more people who would like to work. Of course I know more people who would like to work in these conditions.
Right now the company Im working for needs people who can do hard work under the sun. we've been hiring people over and over again and they quit because they can't stand the hard work and is not really hard work you just have to work without a/c. ICE and police has takeN some of our coworkers. Some had left because of the tough laws, some thanks to e-verify but some of us are staying here because we've been for so long in this country that we have learned to love and respect him. We have nothing to do in Mexico because we have a life here already but if we get caught by immigration, is not like we are going to be sent to Mars. They will be sending us back to our family and friends in Mexico.
I guess I would have been lived better in Mexico had not accept my friend's request but that's something I wouldn't know I just know that I can't have a driver license and next time police stop me for a traffic ticket I will be seeing my brothers and parents, it will be like one of those internet encounters where you meet somebody who you know only in webcam.
Boy I'm gonna miss the USA and my 2 and 1 year old kids.
PS I'll be less than a man if I ask the government to feed me or any of my kids.
PS2 thanks for make an effort to understand my writing.

Comments likes this only come from the uninformed (read: ignorant), the callous, the self important and arrogant, who can cannot see the world much farther than beyond their own nose. It's a harsh and complex world and everything doesn't happen to everyone the way you think it should happen. And not everyone has a nice stable life handed to them on a plate with fries on the side. Some have to find other ways to survive because actual survival and providing for family are, in the end, a bit more important than what you think. It's a good thing we came out of caves and banded together in these societies so we could systematically exclude anyone whose situation doesn't fall into our own view of acceptable.

For those who doth protest too much..

those who have an attention span beyond 140 characters are invited to read -

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/27/opinion/27hogeland.html

As an American whose ancestors immigrated legally (as far as I know) to the US from various European countries during the 1800s, I would like to ask the OP and others who take a hard line against illegal immigrants, "What would you do if . . . ?"

1) You had children threatened with the kinds of horrible conditions the second poster, "Like Savages," outlined. Would you not have done anything you could to try to give them a better life?

2) You were an unemployed US citizen, and because you reject the "Nanny State," you refuse to live off of unemployment or other government safety-net benefits, or you had lived off of them, but they ran out. Would you bend your back to pick strawberries, clean toilets or mow lawns for less than minimum wage, wash pig guts down the drain in a meat factory with no labor standards, climb some rich guy's giant palm to trim a few branches like Carlos did? All day long? Really? Probably not. So why not give someone who's willing to do these unappealing jobs a chance?

3) Your country was paralyzed by partisan politics and therefore couldn't do a damn thing about immigration reform, and yet poor and desperate people need to do something to put food in their children's mouths, some of them domestic and some from other countries. Please choose who to cut off--when and how. And why?

I just want to add that, ironically, our economic downturn has made the US a less attractive destination for Mexicans (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/07/06/world/americas/immigrati on.html) The US may end up courting Mexico for workers.