Jane's new job? - Rizzoli & Isles (2010) Discussion

[–] cosmic_surveyor 8 years ago

Don't you need higher education than the police academy to instruct at the FBI?

If you want cookie cutter same old, same old.

She demonstrated to her 'evaluator' she could connect to her students, without being conventional. Subsequent evaluations of the students might have indicated her lesson was retained. Ultimate objective for an instructor without resorting to negative reinforcement methods?

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[–] jayden8450 8 years ago

Apparently, I've noticed in the TV world you get handed more than in real life.

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[–] ct780 8 years ago

You're correct. It wouldn't happen in real life. But like 50% of the police procedures on this show are unrealistic. The writers don't have a qualified consultant and are too lazy to do the research themselves. And you see the result on screen.

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[–] MargiePax 8 years ago

Kate Beckett got hired by the FBI as an agent. But was fired when Castle stuck his nose in.

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[–] RightBackAtYa 8 years ago

She got fired when she leaked to the press that they suspected the Russian woman of being involved in their case, which prevented the CIA from forcing her to spy on her family. That's why she was fired, not because Castle stuck his nose in.

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[–] darkavenger77 8 years ago

Kate Beckett got hired by the FBI as an agent.

Beckett on Castle (2009) was the poster child for poorly written police procedures:
1) Female detectives working the street wearing high heels;
2) Promoting from Detective to Captain- skipping Sergeant and Lieutenant

Of course, it is not just Jane or Beckett. On the comedy Rush Hour (1998), Chris Tucker's character, an LAPD detective, had an "FBI badge waiting" for him due to his work in the case but he turned it down.

The closest real-life situation I know of involving someone getting hired into law enforcement due to an outstanding event is Jeff Fenn, a deliveryman who saved the late Theresa Saldana's life in 1982. He wanted to be a Deputy Sheriff, and once the Sheriff heard the story, he expedited the application. The man still had to pass exams and a background check. I Googled him and it appears he stuck with it and had made Sergeant as of 2004. According to California pension records, he retired in 2012 after 30 years of service.

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[–] MargiePax 8 years ago

Rizzoli and Becket and probably 90% of female TV cops run around in high heels. I just roll my eyes. And did you ever notice women in high heels on TV and movies never sink into the dirt or grass?

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[–] SarahKSeraSera 8 years ago

Remember the season premier when they had the shooting at the Dirty Robber and Jane went after the woman. She took off her heels and started running down the alley in her bare feet. I wouldn't even do that on my street or parking lot. All I could think of was all the broken bottles, tossed trash, rocks/gravel, etc LOL

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[–] MargiePax 8 years ago

Don't forget vomit and urine in an alley behind a bar.

I don't even like walking barefoot on my concrete driveway. Little bits of gravel are almost as painful as Legos!

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[–] ct780 8 years ago

I don't remember those exact storylines, but Kate Beckett is much more qualified than Jane Rizzoli (Nash's version). Beckett has investigated all kinds of crimes, including terrorism and corruption and so on, and she wasn't hired as a Quantico teacher. Rizzoli, on the other hand, has investigated silly murders and has no particular qualification that would give the FBI a reason to hire her for Quantico (where highly experienced agents teach). It's a silly storyline made up by writers who don't know what they're doing.

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[–] darkavenger77 8 years ago

It wouldn't happen in real life. But like 50% of the police procedures on this show are unrealistic. The writers don't have a qualified consultant and are too lazy to do the research themselves. And you see the result on screen.

Well said.

That IMO is a minimum for most police shows. Jane's new job is similar to "transfers" from one city across the country to another and then beginning work at a non entry-level position, such as detective*. I was thinking this show would do that with Nina, but they properly made her an analyst.

*The actual procedure is your RESIGN in city 1, and then APPLY in city 2. Once hired, you begin entry-level work, such as patrol. The only exceptions to this are places that allow upper management (such as chiefs) to be hired outside the department.

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[–] calvind98362 8 years ago

I've worked as a federal agent and they do NOT look outside the bureau to fill positions at the academy. As a matter of fact, there would be a list a mile long of qualified agents just looking for a cush position like an academy posting.

And like someone else brought up, it takes a degree to be an agent so that also holds true for all personnel.

I wish they'd spend just a little time checking stuff out like this; it makes the writers seem either lazy or stupid.

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[–] austin_sod 8 years ago

I applied once for a Special Agent position once (I didn't get past the initial exam). Those requirements are absolutely true.

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[–] michinine 8 years ago

Since you seem to have knowledge: is there any special requirement to become an instructor? Like tests or anything?

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[–] calvind98362 8 years ago

Not as such. What happens is that you are recommended or get noticed by the brass in the area where you work and then you're invited to come to the academy and teach a class or two in whatever is your specialty i.e. human trafficking, child porn, investigative techniques, etc.

Then, if they like you, you're offered a 30 day posting to the academy and you pickup a regular class from someone that's on vacation or overseas or whatever. So that's your foot in the door and if you kiss enough ass or otherwise get noticed then you (along with hundreds of other agents)can apply when a posting opens. That usually happens when someone takes a promotion and moves on or dies, seriously!

But a regular Boston detective (or anyone else for that matter) just would not, ever be picked up and given a job with the FBI. It's just so crazy a concept that I still can't believe they went there!

While they're at that kind of craziness, why don't they have Jane's mom go with her and take the job as the Chef for the President?

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[–] MargiePax 8 years ago

You're right. It would have been more credible if she went to teach in a police academy. And didn't schtupp the guy that interviewed her.

I wasn't all that impressed with her interrogation technics. She could learn a few things from Gibbs and DiNozzo, Benson and Stabler, and any other cops in the TV world.

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[–] coachd120 8 years ago

Not to mention the fact that any organization, and I'm guessing, the FBI is no different, would have a real problem when the agent who just evaluated her for the job flies to Boston to have sex with her. FIRED in any other organization.

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[–] cosmic_surveyor 8 years ago

I doubt it would be just one evaluator. Her work caught his eyes. He made the recommendation. She passed her live assessment with bonus points. His presence falsely suggested something more to his status. The administration did its thorough vetting before and after.

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[–] coachd120 8 years ago

You missed the point

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[–] davidb10010 8 years ago

The point is, I doubt he would be fired in a TV show world.
This is a fictional TV show.
It can get away with a lot more random stuff than others.

I am a man with Asperger's Syndrome, so please forgive me if my posting seems weird.

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[–] MargiePax 8 years ago

I agree. It's bad enough in any employment situation when people treat their coworkers like a dating pool. Too often things go wrong. Some places make rules against people in a supervisory role to get involved with a subordinate and expect one or the other to move to a different department or leave the company.

Dumb story line.

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[–] calvind98362 8 years ago

Oh hell yes, you are so right.

That is such a major no-no in the service that seeing it portrayed, like that, in a cop show really let's me know that someone is taking the easy way out for the cheap thrills and not worrying about authenticity.

But I have to keep telling myself that it's just Hollywood and I need to let go and just try to enjoy it; so that's what I usually try to do. :-)

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[–] msh1973 8 years ago

I believe you have to have a college degree to work for the FBI....?

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[–] conway3000 8 years ago

Beckett on Castle was a Stanford Grad.

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[–] rushmoras 8 years ago

It's a TV show. At least in my country, you'd need to have Phd in Criminology and some field expertise (or be a professional in that area) to actually carry-out classes for students/cadets.

But since this is a TV show, everything is simplified.

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[–] otherpaul 8 years ago

It used to be that to be considered as an agent an applicant had to be a lawyer or an accountant (not just the degree but actual professional credentials). The Bureau has probably expanded requirements to include more technical skills, but they will not hire cops off the street. Except on TV.😞

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