Einstein Truman


It kinda made Einstein look dumb, Truman look like an asshole and Princeton look bleak.

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Einstein was never directly involved in Manhattan Project, and they knew that. Scientists on the project were actually forbidden from consulting with Einstein, because he was deemed a potential security risk at the time.

I have no idea why they made up his presence.

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Do you agree they made Truman like an a-hole?

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I haven't watched the film so can't say that as yet.

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Yeah definitely made Truman look like an a-hole.

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Yes. I have never read anything that indicates that was his personality.

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Einstein was a real person.

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really?

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No way!

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And then he gave you 100 dollars.

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Since he had the reputation of being one of the smartest people in the world, they're using him as a "voice of God" role in the story.

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That reputation is now slightly under question, even if I don't really subscribe to it. It seems like Einstein's wife, Mileva, was a partner in her husband's work. But being a woman, she decided forgo the publicity. I think the reason for this theory is that since she left him, his contribution to physics became negligible.

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The entirety of that claim was because Einstein's paper used the last name "Einstein-Marity", which was attributed to Swiss custom.

But judging from the later achievements of the 2, I'd say Einstein was the genius, his wife was not.

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Last I read that was not the entirety of the claim. People have studied their letters and things she said to others. A deep dive will probably suggest otherwise.

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Stachel also suggests that in two cases where letters from Marić survive that directly respond to those from Einstein in which he had recounted his latest ideas, she gives no response at all. Her letters, in contrast to Einstein's, contain only personal matters, or comments related to her Polytechnic coursework. Stachel writes: "In her case, we have no published papers, no letters with a serious scientific content, either to Einstein nor to anyone else; nor any objective evidence of her supposed creative talents. We do not even have hearsay accounts of conversations she had with anyone else that have a specific, scientific content, let alone claiming to report her ideas."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mileva_Mari%C4%87#Debate_over_collaboration_with_Einstein

So there is no real evidence of that.

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Einstein referred to his theory as "our ideas". *our* For no reason? Doubtful.

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"Our" does not necessarily mean his wife, could mean friends and colleagues. Or it could mean he was being generous, regarding something like cooking or looking after him as contributing to his work.

If you want to prove Marić was a scientist you have to do better than that.

If Marić really was any kind of scientific mind, she would have written at least something scientific.

She and Einstein were married for about 15 years, what happened to the 30 years after they were divorced, such genius must have published or at least written something, but there was nothing even remotely resembling to science.

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I'm not proving it, but there's certainly room for doubt. Papers can disappear, be destroyed. People can give up a profession. I don't see any evidence of friends or colleagues that close that they should share credit either.

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Papers can disappear, be destroyed.

Not published papers.

I don't see any evidence of friends or colleagues that close that they should share credit either.

Einstein was known bouncing ideas with others, but sharing credit means sharing credit on published papers, saying friends or colleagues contributed ideas is not really sharing credit, at least that is not what sharing credit means in academic world.

I'm not proving it, but there's certainly room for doubt.

There are doubts that we are all living in virtual reality, but nobody takes that very seriously.

If you want to be more credible than that there needs to be evidence.

After all science is about evidence, not I believe because I want to believe.

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Whatever we discussed in their living room at night we have no way of know. Unless you were there?

You're kind of writing like a jerk now. What is your problem? You need to keep telling me what my motives are? A gentleman would just make his point and be satisfied.

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A gentleman would not have called me names after losing an argument, which you did.

Look at our conversations, who is really a jerk?

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>There are doubts that we are all living in virtual reality, but nobody takes that very seriously.

I suggest you look up the holographic theory. Its a bit more complicated than that.

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I think the reason for this theory is that since she left him, his contribution to physics became negligible.


This is ridiculous, I can say the same thing: since he left her, her contribution to physics is... zero.

It's not even "negligible," it's zero. She never make any contribution to science.

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Was it really Einstein's opinion that Oppenheimer should share his (Oppenheimer's) information with the Germans?

I forget what stage of research they were at in the project and I'm not watching this again.

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No, but Einstein was German, that is why he was not allowed in the project.

Following was his entire involvement of the bomb:

On August 2, 1939, just a month before the outbreak of World War II, Dr. Einstein wrote a letter which made history. The letter was addressed to President Roosevelt, and it starts with the sentence: “Some recent work by E. Fermi and L. Szilard, which has been communicated to me in manuscript, leads me to expect that the element uranium may be turned into a new and important source of energy in the immediate future.” Dr. Einstein went on: “This new phenomenon would also lead to the construction of bombs, . . . extremely powerful bombs. A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port, together with some of the surrounding territory.”

Even in the movie other than a chat about mathematics, he was not involved at all.

Was it really Einstein's opinion that Oppenheimer should share his (Oppenheimer's) information with the Germans?

Nobody was that stupid, none had that opinion. That would have been treason, whoever had the opinion would have been put in prison immediately. The opinion was sharing with the Soviet, which was an ally at the time, and I don't think it was the opinion of Einstein.

Then again US did not even share it with UK, even US promised that and used that promise to marge the UK project 'Tube Alloys', which started before Manhattan project, into Manhattan project.

US did not keep that promise after the successful bombings of 2 Japanese cities.

UK restarted atomic bomb development, called it 'High Explosive Research (HER)' at the time, after the war and that is how they had their nuclear bombs.

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Thank you for that information.

This is from the quotes section on IMdB:

Albert Einstein: [Referring to Teller's calculations that there's a possibility that a chain reaction might not stop and subsequently destroy the Earth] Well, you'll get to the truth.

J. Robert Oppenheimer: And if the truth is catastrophic?

Albert Einstein: Then you stop and you share your findings with the Nazis so neither side destroys the world.

IIRC that was NOT the exchange in the film.

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I don't remember that either, then again I am not going to watch it again as well.

Einstein was Jewish so if they put that line in the movie I think there should have been more noise about it.

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That was indeed an exchange in the movie. However what they were talking about is the ignition of the atmosphere theory. As in, If it turns out to be true, tell germans so they dont destroy the whole planet by accident.

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Neils Bohr wanted to share every development of the groundbreaking science with the world. Months passed after the initial fission theory was written and improved on.

Then Einstein Fermi and Szilard cowrote that famous letter. One version of it was in German, because Einstein's English was wonky.

Fermi was sent to the Navy to share the need for a Manhattanish project. He was chosen because he had a Nobel prize in Physics. But the Navy man who received Fermi, went to a higher graded Navyman, and said ' there is a w*p at the door.

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