I'm curious as to what other people who have seen this were thinking. What was the deal with that book the nurse found. What was happening in the flashback scene where Nyle, enters the black liquid, and later comes back out. What do you think was going on in that scene?? Also one simpler question, what was in that case under hid bed that he called the devil's tear? That was the knife right? Obviously know one is going to have the "right" answer to a lot of these questions but I'd just like some thoughts.
Let me also explain what I know for sure. The girl is psychic the pyramid thing can be used to knock her out/stop her from using her powers. She is trapped in this lab, being held prisoner. Her father is the old man doing drugs staring at the screen all day. (Are we to assume he died, did Nyle kill him?) Nyle killed the girls mom upon returning from the black liquid. (Why did he do this? Why didn't the father do anything about this?) The black liquid appears to have taken away Nyles hair and eye pigmentation, Nyle also has psychic powers, which means I think we can somewhat safely assume that traveling through the black liquid gives and or unlocks psychic powers. (The girls mom mention Nyle is to retrieve the motherload on his journey, another question)
So the girl successfully escapes from the compound which turns out to be a dome composed of triangles(triangles/pyramids are highly prevalent throughout the film) by going through the physionaut(wtf was that thing) and something I will simply refer to as the "worm zombie thing". Nyle goes after her after killing his wife. He has some sort of device to track her. He finds two dudes campin out near where the device says she is. He kills them both before encountering the girl. The girl stops him from moving using her telekinesis then smashes his head on rock appearing to kill him. Roll credits.
Which I believe makes her the only character who survived the film, unless you count the worm zombie guy as a character lol. Also unsure about her dad hopefully you guys can help me that.
So yeah lemme know what you guys thought about the movie, feel free to correct my analysis of what "literally" happened throughout the movie as well as what you think it all meant. Thanks!
My take on this is that the inky blackness is somehow a portal to the afterlife (or heaven or hell or some similar place). Nyle took something before he delved into that thing right? All the Third Eye iconography and the psycotropics (benign pharmacology I think Dr Arboria called it...) must awaken something in a person which allows them to travel to this "other place". It isn't clear if Dr Arboria or Nyle is the father of the girl (at least it wasn't to me) but I'm gunning for Nyle because he seems to have been changed by the experience whilst Dr Arboria just seems to be addicted to his "benign pharmacology".
I'm thinking the portal and the associated powers were tapping the energies of death. The strange "worm zombie" thing seems to be either a discarded experiment or possibly even a battery for that pyramid crystal. The sentionaut(s) are interesting. Unmasked that thing looked pretty dead and the girl seemed to have no trouble controlling it. She killed the nurse instinctively when the pyramid was switched off indicating that she is driven to kill when cornered/afraid etc. But the sentionaut was just "switched off". The death-power motif may be reinforced by the arboreal nature of the institute they are trapped in. Maybe all the plants and tree's are compensating for tapping into all that death energy?
Who it was on the other end of that phone is an interesting question. Was it Dr Arboria? Was it some other hidden mastermind overseeing the operation? Or did it in fact come from this "other world"?
What the Devils Tear refers to is another interesting question. I couldn't see clearly what it was. It could have been that knife but I'm not sure. It could have been some form of crystal, perhaps akin to the pyramid that could switch on and off the girls powers. It could even be a crystalized tear of the mother as she was dying.
I think in the end there isn't one definitive answer because I'm not sure there is meant to be one. This film is about textures and feelings more than story and rational. A lot of the elements may have been thrown in for their creepiness value and no more. All in all it was a very excellent film making great use of styles of cinema thought dead and buried. You couldn't make this film using modern styles of cinema, they just don't lend themselves to creepiness very well. I think the best comparison you could make between this and a modern film would be Event Horizon but if I remember correctly there was a lot of action in that film.
Just a couple of thoughts in response to your post:
So you thought Nyle was the father? Thats very interesting as I was almost certain it was the older dude and I'm trying to remember why I was so sure of this. I think it had a lot to do with the flashback scene when he puts the girl into the black slime. I think that was a large reason why I thought so can't really remember though haha.
One of my "theorys" on the portal is that it took him to the "end of the world" (not that I really know what that means, it could simply be an afterlife as you say), the only reason behind this is that Nyle said to his wife right before he killed her "I have seen the end of the world" or end of days or something to that extent.
I had almost totally forgot about that phone scene that was one of the creepier moments of the film along with worm zombie man. I had no idea what was going on that phone although it was almost certainly hallucinated or otherworldly as you say because his phone is disconnected when he looks at it after the call.
A very unique overall feel to the movie, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Dr.Aboria is the father of Elena, when Dr.Nyle is shooting him up with drugs, Dr.Aboria asks "how is my darling Elena?" Dr.Nyle says "Well Dr. Aboria she's very well" and Dr.Aboria says "thats wonderful". It's obvious that Dr. Aboria has be come a recluse, using drugs to deal with the fact he has sacrificed his wife and his daughter, because she too was dunked into the black ooze pool, for the "New age of enlightenment".
Also there is the part when Elena telepathically talks to Dr. Nyle asking to see her father...the scene right before that she gets a photo of her mother from Dr. Nyle and she also telepathically senses a heartbeat in the institute in the same room that Dr. Nyle enters to see Dr. Aboria before he OD's him. Notice how the pyramid is turned on once she start to remotely view the institute.
Now I'm not sure if the black ooze is literal or symbolic but I do know that there was a journey taken whether it was a physical or mental one is unclear. I also know Dr. Nyle was told to "bring back the mother lode Barry" and what was brought back wasn't exactly what was expected...you can see that by Anna Aboria's reaction to Barry when he exits the pit....
I agree with the black liquid being a portal to the afterlife. Nyle says to his wife "I've been through the eye of God", and the white background with the black circle definitely looks like an eye and a pupil (though of course it's a visual metaphor).
I'm pretty sure Nyle doesn't really have psychic powers. His experience in the black liquid might have been transcendental at the time, but it didn't give him the same powers that Elena had. The experience also caused (or at least contributed to) his insane condition where he simply believes he's psychic. The only time he tries anything psychic is when he senses that the stoner raped Elena, which is obviously untrue and heavily indicates that his psychic abilities are just delusional.
I think the psychic-ness 'unlocked' by the black mud is indicative of enlightenment/2001-style evolution of the mind. I believe that montage when he is achieving this shows his human nature being stripped away and being replaced with the hairless, pigment-less, psychic ultra-nihilistic psychopath that emerges. Im not sure whhy he had to kill mum, or what his general motivations were from then on. And why he offed his wife at the end (I thought perhaps he'd said something to her like 'you are nothing', and he saw her as unimportant to the universe in her infinitely less developed mind. Not sure why he wanted to hurt her though). I think the girl (elena) was important because she may have been the first somewhat enlightened human who hadnt needed to enter the gunge possibly?
I really wasnt sure what the point of the 'heshers' at the end was, but I really enjoyed that contrast with real characters that we had seen none of so far.
I was also very aware of a kubrick-esque feel of the movie, and although only in my twenties, i feel the era of 70's 80's sci fi being tributed here.
I dont think there was any 'literal' happenings, it was mostly ambiguous imagery that will be perceived differently by different people.
Very enjoyable though!
EDIT- actually saying that, im now not sure on reflection whether the girl was arboria's child or not. and i do recall her being lowered toward the gunge as if she was to be dipped...
I hated the movie. Too damn slow. What I could glean of the plot amounts to the facility symbolizing a science lab which ends up creating good (Elena) and evil (Nyle), who are then unleashed upon the world.
Because it spends so much time delving into how they were created before entering the world (which is something nobody knows, which puts a severe limit to how meaningful that entire portion of the movie could be), the movie has no time for a proper final battle or climax, beyond Nyle being made to trip and hitting a stone. The End.
If you like your movies to be *about* something, have a *plot* and some *action*, this movie will bore you to death, as it did me.
If you were expecting to go see a Transformers/Battleship/X-Men kinda film, off course you're disappointed and hates it. It's basically an art film with sci-fi elements. The film IS about something, but the meaning is not as tangible as you may like, because it takes place in your subconcious.
I for one LOVED it to bits. For me, it was like waking from a beautiful dream of pain, only to realize that I'm still asleep and god is evil. Or something.
If you were expecting to go see a Transformers/Battleship/X-Men kinda film, off course you're disappointed and hates it. It's basically an art film with sci-fi elements. The film IS about something, but the meaning is not as tangible as you may like, because it takes place in your subconcious.
Well, I was expecting Kubrick or Tarkovsky, and was rather disappointed. In 2001 we got the star child. In Solaris, we got Kelvin and his father. In Beyond the Black Rainbow we got... a dude hitting his head on a rock.
the 'lab' only created nyle by accident and fostered elena's development/education.
it spends NO time delving into their creation, and only shows nyle's transcendental experience. the movie didn't run out of time at all, it showed what it was supposed to, as it had been created, "its all up there" as the director stated.
the quick death of the antagonist is because he was a "frail, pathetic" thing surrounded by a huge network of ego telling him his strength, of which he had none. these are also the director's words.
the movie had plot, but had little in the way of action as it was about tension, suspense, and mood yes, and the interplay between strength/weakness, slave and master.
its not for everyone, and yes it could even bore some... but i'd expect any film lover of my generation to 'get it'.
I agree with you. The visuals where interesting (in a good way, as in, stunning) but the plot was almost non-existent. I like my movies with an actual plot, otherwise the whole thing comes off as pretentious *beep*
He just trolling, I never even really tried to analyze the movie in my posts much, just explained what was literally happening, to make it even more obvious that he was trolling.
made for people on LSD by people on LSD! I would love to have heard the pitch they used to the studio to get the money for this! at least there were no zombies! robot heads! really dead guys! crazy little chicks from god knows where!
while i'm not above missing things in film, i genuinely believe this film lacked the subtext that existed in - as an obvious example - 2001, making it laborious to watch on a level rivaling Begotten. my feeling is that if you're going to put out something this intensely slow-paced - regardless of the undeniable aesthetic beauty, you need to have some serious subtext going on to give the viewer something to ponder. and while the ambiguity of plot certainly raised questions in BBR, i simply don't believe there were enough answers - real or subjective - to warrant the degree of introspective duration that i and my friends endured. needless to say, the "should've taken acid before i watched this" level for BBR was quite high for me, personally. quite simply, i'm not so sure there was adequate intellectual substance - visceral enhancement may be required.
this lack of subtext which i perceived - and which i think most other responders to this thread seem to have agreed on implicitly with their minimal input - is the only real relation that my rant has to this thread. was it just me or did BBR seem so much like an homage? the most obvious feeling one gets is that of 2001, which my fellow film-geeks have already noted. aesthetic similarities ("modern" sci-fi set design which i feel pinnacled with 2001) as well as a seeming lack of climax. climax was so frequently reliant on an intense soundtrack with long, anti-climatic shots,which reminded me also of Kubrick's The Shining as well. the scenes outside of the lab served to break up the claustrophobia which was also a theme in The Shining, and this liberation was complete in the finale. at that point the filmaker almost seemed to switch genres, moving into a period horror movie. i love (with no sarcasm intended) being tricked into the anticipation of change of pace only to be disappointed.
taken as a whole, the decision to make this a period film seems to have no other purpose other than to convey a love for those wonderful late 60's/70's/80's sci-fi films whose "futuristic" elements allow one to so easily date said films in an almost comical manner. of course i assume that the filmmaker had dystopic-prisoner-of-society pieces such as Soylent Green, Farenheight 451, A Clockwork Orange, THX, Omega Man, Logan's Run (the list goes on) somewhere in his mind. finally, we have to mention Bladerunner. the soundtrack for BBR (amazing i should note) - though qualitatively different - kept Vangelis' groundbreaking soundtrack in the back of the mind. the originality and tone (superficially, they were both quite unique and creative in their use of electronics) i think force comparison. and then their was the dynamic in both films of the old, elusive man of power and his prodigal automaton, the parallel forced upon the viewer in an "of course" moment with an almost identical eye-gouging shot (some Event Horizon in there?).
with all my dull commentary, i return to a previous comment that there are no answers. in summary, i think it was a beautiful and meditative homage. though certainly not lacking in originality, this originality came largely from aesthetic regions, and it looks to me like the author of this thread probably understood the plot as much as anyone else might.
well at least you reviewed your own commentary right. there was plenty of subtext there for those who were looking for it. missing it, for you, meant missing the point of the film apparently.
unfortunately this is the kind of film that works for you only once, when you see it first time and are discovering the subtext... once you know where it goes, all the metaphors and possible outcomes don't mean much.
you may live long enough to realize later that the film deserves more of a chance than you gave it, but as i said it'll be too late to experience the first viewing. anyway, it was a great *beep* film, sorry you missed it.
i thought a lot of the action took place in their minds. most of the film was mind melding and mind warfare. they were on heavy doses of psychotropic drugs for many years- the girl her whole life. the 60's cult-origin flashback scene was them taking the drug and disappearing into those transcendental *beep* states that heroic doses of psychedelics will bring on. thats what the black ink symbolized to me. i think the book was a scientific journal of her mental and emotional state over the years.
I had two main gripes with the story and I think this thread cleared up one, but not the other.
1) I didn't think there was any motivation for Barry to undergo his transformation and kill his wife. But as discussed above... was it the phone call that did this? I don't remember the sequence of events but that would make sense.
2) How/why did Lena escape when she did? Was this tied to Barry's transformation? Was one entity pulling the strings to make these things happen at the same time?
I don't think it was the phone call. I think it was a gradual change which occurred back when he entered the black goo and saw the end of days or whatever the hell it was.