Excellent Movie
Everything about this picture was superb. This is a film worth seeing a few times.
shareEverything about this picture was superb. This is a film worth seeing a few times.
shareI also loved it. It's a great movie. Nice to read positive posts for a change.
shareI've seen it twice but not sure a third is called for. Still, it is terrific.
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I like this movie too, own it and have watched it several times. Still, it would have been much better had it not insisted on the huge historical falsifications of portraying George VI as a close friend and ally of Churchill and staunch proponent of standing up to Hitler.
In fact, the Royals disliked Churchill intensely, not least because he had been a die-hard defender of Edward remaining on the throne. Also, George was an ardent supporter of appeasing Hitler and defended Neville Chamberlain to the last, especially over Munich. He didn't want to accept his resignation as Prime Minister in 1940 and preferred Chamberlain's fellow appeaser, Lord Halifax, to take over as PM. He only asked Churchill because Halifax refused to be considered and the King was left with no choice. It was only during the course of the war that the King and Queen finally drew close to Churchill.
Uncritical defenders of this movie may call such things nit-picking or irrelevant criticisms, but it's the film itself that makes these central factors in its narrative. The basic story of the King's struggle to overcome his speaking difficulties and his personal problems is strong enough to carry the picture, but the filmmakers clearly didn't have enough faith in the truth to leave it at that. Instead, they decided they had to do more to make the King seem sympathetic, and since few people know the facts and have only the vague idea that Churchill was "good" and Hitler evil, it served their dramatic purposes to lie and put Bertie on the side of the angels, when in fact he was a pro-appeasment weakling eager to sell out others to keep England at "peace", and an enemy of Churchill's. If the movie didn't want to show that side of the King it could have simply ignored it. Instead, it went to great lengths to deceive and invent events that never happened in order to give a dishonest image of George VI.
This film purports to be history, after all. But when it moves away from the King's speech and gets into the King's politics, it's an unmitigated collection of misrepresentations and lies. And that's not nit-picking.
Careful, Hobnob. You could be forgetting [like so many others] that the Great War was still a fresh nightmare with its carnage and destruction. Many believed that had the diplomats taken a course of appeasement instead of aggressive nationalism, the slaughter could have been avoided. This is why Chamberlain's way of handling things was seen as a great accomplishment. Chamberlain was seen as having succeeded where his predecessors had failed. It is not until September of 1939 that the view changes.
shareI'm well aware of that view of things, jk, but I stand by my criticism. Besides, while what you say is factually accurate, it's decidedly not what was in the film -- so why all the lies by the screenwriter?
You're addressing what is mostly historical fact -- as you say, most people were eager to do anything to avoid another war because they remembered the slaughter of the 1914-1918 conflict. This is why an incompetent, egocentric fool like Neville Chamberlain could be self-delusional in thinking that, as he condescendingly told an aide after Munich when this man reminded him of Hitler's past deceptions, "But you see, my dear fellow, this time it is different -- this time, he has made his promises to me." Britain and France were as much the architects of the disaster that befell them in September '39 as were the Nazis, thanks to the weakness, cowardice, selfishness and cynicism of their leaders, Chamberlain above all.
Just as a side note, disillusion had begun creeping in as early as October and November 1938, when people began seeing what the Nazis were doing in the Sudentenland, and after the dismemberment of what was left of Czechoslovakia in March, 1939, followed by Germany's forcible annexation of Memel two weeks later, the British public had finally woken up and began demanding that the government stand up to Germany...a public sentiment that was met by Chamberlain, after the final destruction of Czechoslovakia, with his pronouncement, "The government will continue its policy of appeasement." Even after September 1, Chamberlain had to be dragged into declaring war after a two-day delay, in spite of Britain's treaty obligations with Poland, and with most of his Cabinet in revolt against him. By then the public was in favor of fighting.
HOWEVER...none of this has anything to do with the film's veracity. King Gorge VI was a full-throated supporter of appeasement. He was not at all a friend or even an admirer of Churchill -- quite the opposite. He agreed with Chamberlain and wanted peace at any price -- then as always a surefire way of getting war.
So: why does the movie insist on falsifying history? Granted it would suit the filmmakers to skate over George's blindness to the Nazis and support of appeasement in order to make him seem a more sympathetic figure. But why take the extra step of inventing an attitude he didn't hold, friendships he didn't have and and alliances he didn't strike to tell his story? At best, they should have just ignored the sordid yet historically accurate details of the King's actual beliefs and just centered on his speech issues. Dragging Churchill into proceedings with which he not only had nothing whatsoever to do, but with a man who did not like or agree with him, all for the purpose of dishonestly glorifying the King, was an outrage.
In short, you've explained, accurately, why the King believed what he actually did. Fine. But the film lies about it -- thoroughly and egregiously. And that's the problem.
The film also misstates the relationship between the King and Lionel Logue, but that's another, and relatively harmless, falsification.
i couldn't finish it the first time, boring to hell.
shareI've seen it five times in all: three times in the theater and twice on DVD. I agree with the OP: a first-class movie in every sense. It's probably my favorite movie, as a matter of fact.
shareThe acting was excellent. As to the "story", I agree with you. The film is terribly boring.
shareI just watched it for the third time. What a great story of courage and perseverance. Some mighty fine acting.
shareAMEN!
I love this film for many reasons
A: I knew the story, the characters, and had benefitted from variations of the Logue exercises.
B: That HONOUR, DETERMINATION, DECENCY and PERSONAL COURAGE are the TRUE making of the man.
C: That behind every GREAT MAN, is an even GREATER WOMAN!
D: COUNTRY COMES FIRST, and that there are times when dancing at the Savoy just won't cut it.
Yes, I Loved this Film....Very, VERY MUCH.
I do hope he won't upset Henry...
I saw it twice in the theater when it came out. I really love it too and have it on DVD :)
shareIt’s basically a perfect film.
Script, acting, direction, pacing, music… all perfect.
A simple and powerful story, perfectly told.
After this and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy a couple years later Hollywood basically died and started making dogshit films for kids and international audiences, stuffed with tedious woke propaganda.
Bring back Harvey Weinstein any day, the guy deserved every blowjob from a ruthless actress he got - dude was responsible for so many classics in the 90s and 00s, from Pulp Fiction to this.