Making a movie about Richard Kuklinski is pointless in my opinion because we have the man on tape telling his own story in a manner more scary and hardhitting than any movie could be. Who agrees with me?
shareBecause movies are entertaining. Many films based on real life people have documentaries such as Aileen Wuornos for example. But I certainly watched "Monster" with Charlize Theron and I bet you did too.
shareTrue. But in the case of Richard Kuklinski, I just don't see how any movie can be as hardhitting as "The Iceman Tapes". That and the fact that I've heard mixed reviews about "The Iceman".
shareMany movies get mixed reviews. The reviews on this is mostly positive and especially with the performances. Obviously it won't be exactly in detail of the interviews with Richard but it will be a nice in addition to...
shareWhere does one get "The Iceman Tapes"?
shareThere are two HBO documentaries and I think one more on Youtube.
Just google "iceman documentary".
I came, I saw, I laughed, I left.
One does not simply "get The Iceman Tapes."
shareThose might be lies, at least a movie is one big lie, and we all know about "based on true story" type stuff
share"Monster" was tremendous...Shannon is a great Actor but I would've liked
the actor playing Kuklinski to have the threatening girth and body mass
of the real guy...though I guess Kuklinski wasn't always fat
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006718/
in http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1375754/
I agree a thousand percent. No fictional film could possibly speak the vast volumes his way of telling his own story does. A lot of it comes across in the manner in which he talks about it.
Like his telling of the one guy he let pray for god to save him and then as he put it, "but god never showed up. And he never changed his circumstances." Chilling like nothing I've ever seen or heard anywhere.
why would/should a existing documentary on this subject foreclose a movie (not a documentary)
Shannon is a great actor, so are Liota and Gandolfini. I´m looking forward to see this movie and give a crap about the mixed reviews. Rewievs are mostly overrated. Everybody can be a critic. So why listen to them?
I like to see it for myself and let me decide wether it is good or not
"...but they hung him anyway."
"Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry."
Shannon is a great actor, so are Liota and Gandolfini.
[Rewievs are mostly overrated.]
And so are reviews of reviews.
Learn to spell, moron.
The Iceman Tapes certainly give you an accurate account of a cold-blooded killer in his own words, but they don't offer any insight into how the people around him were affected - or not, as the case may be. I guess this film is trying to explore how RK carried out his killings for so long without his nearest and dearest finding out.
shareI'll see the film anyway. Kuklinski is a NJ legend.
Come at the king, you best not miss.
what he's saying is that this can't hold a candle to the actual iceman tapes and he's right.
sharehe's also saying a movie would be pointless and he's wrong. I usually do watch all representations of a story, I assumed many others do also. If there's only 1 thing that we get from adaptations it's a major one, some people have never even heard about some of the more obscure subjects before seeing the movies.
shareI'm not sure if a feature film is pointless, but I do agree that The Iceman documentaries on HBO are utterly fascinating. Kuklinski's quiet and remorseless demeanor, as he discusses the various ways, and reasons why, he killed people, is chilling. Then, just when you think, "Come on, this guy isn't too bad," the documentary interviewer will say something, or ask a question, that bothers Kuklinski and you see a rage surface on his face that makes you thankful he's dead.
share"the documentary interviewer will say something, or ask a question, that bothers Kuklinski and you see a rage surface on his face that makes you thankful he's dead."
To be pedantic, the interviewer intentionally provoked him with a subtle criticism. It was part of tactic to get him to introspect upon his rage. Very cleverly done. It is indeed a fascinating interview for anyone interested in seeing scary man's psychology delicately dissected.
I agree with you that it was the interviewer's tactic -- and a successful one. Though I don't recall all of the particulars, what struck me, at the time I watched the HBO special, was how the criticisms were rather innocuous, certainly not anything that a normal person would be particularly bothered by, and yet Kuklinski seemed to struggle to hold in his rage.
shareIt's true, all the more reason I feel so sorry for him ... as well as the hundreds of people and families whose lives he destroyed and ruined. Like the psychiatrist said, his parents made it virtually impossible to grow up to be a decent, caring, loving human being.
shareI have to agree...with a story like this you have to remember this guy did kill people..there were victims whose sufferings were real. The tapes of him being interviewed gave an interesting look at a man who was void of emotional restraint or regret, a movie would have to go some to portray that in any way more realistic and chilling as the man himself
given that ...does the film add anything? I believe to do a movie on real murderers you have a duty to the victims to provide real merit and meaning in the film..(and most importantly to not glamorize or mytholigise dangerous and cruel killers)from what i have read of the reviews this hasnt been done in any meaningful way to justify the film...I'm torn because I watched the tapes but only want to watch the movie if it has truth and meaning to it and not just another gangster film made out of real characters
of my mind
'' I don't know what's in there, but it's weird and it's pissed off''
personally,i had the greatest enthusiasm for this film,especially because shannon was playing the lead(and liotta was playing roy de meo). but it turned out to be a wasted opportunity. and who's bright idea was it to turn kuklinski into some kind of anti hero? so,for anyone who's really interested in kuklinski,by all means see the film for postherity,but i think you'll find you're better off watching the iceman tapes.
shareWow, that doesn't make much sense. It's called entertainment. I know what you're trying to get at.. but I have seen every single special on RK, even read the book "The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer" (got it from Amazon for $0.01 plus 3.99 shipping [4 bucks total]..they got tons of copies for a penny, just click where it says paperback "used from" in the little box}
It's only entertaining if it's done right and from what I hear, the reviews for this movie have mostly been luke warm at best. Besides, there's nothing more powerful than to hear the man tell his own story in his own words and that is what I was driving at. Thank you for your comment though, always appreciated.
shareSo, this means you never watch movies about anything that could be based on real-life events? In that case, you must have watched 10 movies in your entire life! All by Disney!!
shareHave you seen the original Iceman Tapes? If you haven't, I suggest you do since they are available on Youtube. All you have to do is type in Richard Kuklinski. Watch those and then tell me if any movie could measure up to that. Oh, and for the record, I just like to say that I've seen my fair share of movies, and trust me, many of them were not the Disney type! LOL
shareagreed about the movie being disappointing...Shannon was amazing but the film was weak...tried to make him sympathetic and someone to root for even as they show him murdering countless people (an innocent homeless person at one point) so you're stuck watching instead of feeling one way or the other about the guy...they made Liotta's character a total pushover basically even though the real life guy was terrifying and a brutal murderer as well...idk...just had my issues with it...worth a watch but might as well just watch the documentary though I feel like a lot of what Kuklinski says is exaggerated or complete BS (not that he isn't a cold blooded murderer...this is true)
share