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Why would the visor show a fake image?


Having just ended watching S1, what could possibly be the point of having the astronaut suit fitted with a visor that shows a virtual reality? Doesn't make any sense. I feel like this show is just another "Lost", introducing a bunch of questions and mysteries that will never get adequately solved because the show "is not about that" it's deep down just a soap opera promoting interracial relationships and showcasing the power of women or whatever.

The philosophical discussion about what is reality and our perception of it is the only interesting thing but it's not enough to carry the show. The formula of constantly asking questions and introducing mysteries that are never solved died with "Lost" and should stay dead. I'll give season 2 a shot to see if my mind changes but these are my 2cents.

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I saw some people saying "to trick them into cleaning the camera" but that doesn't make any sense. The people who wanted to get out thought they were being lied to and that it was safe outside, meaning the projections in the coffee room were fake. Once they get outside they see the "green Earth" in their visor and genuinely think that's reality, so they are now vindicated in their belief that the camera isn't showing reality to the people inside and they are just seeing a fake image.

So why would they clean the camera then if they think the whole thing is faked? It makes no sense whatsoever.

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I think normally the cleanings were pretty far apart. There weren't a lot of bodies piled up outside, and watching someone die would probably deter others from going out voluntarily for many years. Over time, the camera view would become very obscured, making it difficult to tell what the actual conditions were like outside. So, when someone did go out voluntarily, they might believe they were being lied to, but they wouldn't necessarily think the displays were faked.

Allison was an exception. She believed the displays were faked but she cleaned the camera anyway as a prearranged signal to her husband Holston.

It's not obvious why Holston would have cleaned it. He had avoided looking at the displays for three years though, so he may have assumed both that the camera had become obscured over those three years AND that the world had turned green in that time.

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Most of all as it is way harder to develop a convincing virtual reality than a self cleaning mechanism for the camera... 🙄

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This is part of this series that I think you just have to accept non-critically.
I mean, logically, if they needed someone to clean the lens, that could be
easily solved just by sending someone out there quickly to clean the lens.
Or, the designers of the Silo could have just made the camera lens self-cleaning.

From watching all the episode so far and having read the books too ( I think
there are very few Moviechatters who have read the book ) there is a lot of
depth to this series, and it is just starting to come out at the end of S2.

They plan to have 3 more seasons from what I have read, if it lasts that long.
I think besides some strong legitimate criticisms about the pace moving so
slow, it's a very interesting story with a lot to say about human society too.

I can say definitively it is not like Lost, and questions are answered, but that
is what the series is about. The first episode of S2 really bugged me because
to me most of it was Juliet putzing around in the dark - pissed me off, like the
episode in S1 where they worked on the stupid generator.

The visor thing as it is shown in this series is impossible, at least with today's
technology, but the point is that when someone living in a brainwashed society
like the Silo goes out the door and sees a world that is completely different
from what they see in the monitor every day, they are supposed to think that
the inhabitants of the Silo are not seeing clearly and that cleaning the lens
will change that.

And the whole idea of basing an entire society on never questioning the outside
or saying you want to go out is hard to swallow. So, you have to take a certain
amount of this on faith and just go with it. There is a lot to be revealed, and
there are answers though - at least there were in the book.

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Alone that idiotic Mantra "We do not know when it will be safe to go outside. We only know that day is not today." - When they say it everyday in the morning they are doomed and they will never ever even TRY to go outside... 🙄

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Why is it hard to swallow? The only way the society will be able to survive for centuries or millennia underground is if the citizens are willing to stay in the silo that long. The people in charge know that the surface is not safe, so they have to suppress any desire to go out. If someone does express a wish to go out, better to send them out immediately and let everyone watch them die than to risk having them spread the idea to others. If too many people believe that it's safe outside, there might be another revolution, and if the revolutionaries succeed in opening the top door then the whole society would be doomed.

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Well, that is the show's logic. It seems to me that if someone lived in that society the whole society would be based around the outside, and monitoring it. If they can make suits to go outside, why not?

The reasoning exists to justify the plot. Did you see the S2 finale? The answers, or the rationalizations are coming.

It appears as if they are planning on covering the entire Silo trilogy which is from different times and different groups of people.

Cleaning the lens instead of periodicially or automatically by waiting for someone to get curious about the outside seems illogical to me.

Since writing the books, the author, Hugh Howey, had some time to think and perhaps reshape the story. I liked the book. Back when he wrote it I went on a Science Fiction jag and read the 3 Body Problem about the same time. Two good books make into movies.

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The question was though, why the visor would show a fake image? I think that to count on every person who went out feeling and thinking the same way as a means to save or keep an entire society on course, and to clean the lens, is kind of a weak idea, and how would they have come up with that and know it would work in every case?

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Making a suit to go outside is one thing, but getting the person back inside without bringing in any of the contaminant is a much bigger challenge. Yes, I saw the fire being used to decontaminate the exit chamber at the end of S2 (and also in the first episode of S1). That means the contaminant is probably some kind of virus or bacteria.

Theoretically, someone wearing a fire-proof suit could survive the fire decontamination process. But, will some of the contaminant also survive and get inside because it is shielded from the flames, maybe under an arm or lodged in the helmet neck ring coupling?

Even if the chance of contaminant getting in is very small, the risk adds up over the centuries. Suppose the odds of contaminant getting in is 1 in a 1000 every time. Even if they only bring someone back in once per year, there will be a 50% chance of contaminating the silo by year 700.

I don't think the founders knew for sure that everyone would clean the lens; that's just how it turned out. They would likely have planned for the possibility of the lens becoming completely obscured or that the camera might fail altogether. Who knows, there might even be a backup camera pre-installed outside that can be remotely activated if necessary.

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> That means the contaminant is probably some kind of virus or bacteria.

Not necessarily.

I think you are pointing out that there are a lot of holes in the logic of this series, and I would agree with that.

I was not quite sure what happened when the supposed decontamination flames flared up in that last scene. Did mayor Holland knowingly or unknowingly shield Juliet from the flames.

Then there was the beginning of the pre-Silo history that was going on. I think they changed this from the book. Next season should be very interesting.

My main problem with this show is that it is so dreadfully slow.

I find the series from Apple these days are the best out there. A lot of good stuff, well done.

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>> I think you are pointing out that there are a lot of holes in the logic of this series

No, quite the opposite. In fact, I said that there is at least one very good logical reason for not sending people out and letting them back in. We'll have to wait to see if my guess turns out to be right or if they offer up a different explanation. I don't see a lot of plot holes, just things that haven't been explained yet.

Obviously there was some weak writing, starting with that generator repair. And I laughed when they showed Patrick Kennedy painting a single section of wall within the otherwise unpainted vastness of the silo.

Having Holland go back into the chamber as the doors were closing was pretty ridiculous. It was also likely unnecessary to the story since I bet it will be Juliette's suit that saves her, not Holland. But I guess it made for a more dramatic cliff-hanger ending.

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> I don't see a lot of plot holes, just things that haven't been explained yet.

Both.

What did you make of the scene in D.C.? Did you read the book.

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I haven't read the books, so no spoilers please.

I hope they don't devote too much time to pre-silo history. I didn't mind the slow pace because the underground world was pretty fascinating and original. There are plenty of movies and shows about things going sideways in the world, so I don't think it's necessary for this series to spend too much time on that aspect.

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This felt like the writers way of saying if we don’t get renewed for a 3rd season that was a decent ending. A bit nihilist, but shows the audience the end (no one ever leaves) and then how it all started.

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I read that it has already been renewed for a 3rd, 4th, 5th season. Big surprises in store ... a wider universe opens up.

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Yeah but did the writers know that at the time of the script. Seems to me like it was a “soft ending” with the flashback and all.

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All of these shows have loads of unlogic details in them that just don't add up.
You don't even have to go into details like fake images on visors and the question whether that makes sense somehow, the fundamental flaws are much more basic.
In a world as destroyed as the outside of the silo is shown, there wouldn't be enough oxygene for people to survive and there wouldn't be enough raw materials to maintain the technology under ground.

These shows all start from an apocalypse, then pick a couple of details that might develop some temporary solution while people wait for the aftermath of the apocalypse to settle back into a habitable planet, but they all fall short on the overall picture.
It's like teleporters in Startrek or similar shows, physically impossible, but you have to accept them as part of the fiction because without teleporters the show wouldn't be possible.

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There will always be enough oxygen [ not oxygene? ] ... that can be make from water.


The idea is that they have a closed-loop recycling technology, I guess.

It seemed weird to me, and I don't remember it from the book, that there are mines in the down deep lower levels, but the mines are no in the hole at the bottom where the Silo digging machine is? If they are digging stuff in the mines, how is it the Silos which are pretty close to each other are not running into each other?

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Extracting oxygene from water requires a lot of energy, generating energy requires a lot of fuel, burning that much fuel requires more oxygene than you get out of the water.
Alternative energy sources would be sunlight or wind, both only available outside and not inside the silo, or atomic energy which would require a uranium mine and a silo close to a uranium mine would be .... let's say unhealthy.
Closed-loop recycling also fails without an external energy source, because you cannot recycle energy.

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There is enough energy in uranium to last thousands of years.

Since you don't know what their energy source is there is no use speculating about oxygen. Highly unlikely that all oxygen in the atmosphere is gone.

It's a TV show dude.

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That's what I said from start.

"All of these shows have loads of unlogic details in them that just don't add up."

But this specific thread here started with not understanding the logic of some details and once you're at that level you get to all the other things in the show that make no sense.
Uranium doesn't contain energy for 1000s of years, there are literally millions of tons of atomic waste in the world showing you need a permanent resupply of fresh uranium to keep the lights on.
Oxygene is unstable, without a permanent resupply from plants it breaks down and disappears in a very short time.

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The oxygen atom is very reactive, but the molecule O2 is stable.

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I've wondered about the mines too. Obviously they can't go sideways so I assume they tunneled down around the digging machine pit.

Not that they'd have much need for iron ore anyway, given that iron and steel are easy to recycle. So I think the main purpose of the mines is to isolate, punish and ultimately kill off anyone deemed undesirable. And just the threat of the mines will help keep people in line.

Another question is where do they dispose of the excavated earth? They could dig new tunnels by moving the dirt to older unused tunnels, but loose excavated dirt takes up more room than undisturbed dirt. They'd have to compact it again, which is even more work than digging it up in the first place. But if they just want to work prisoners to death, that's not a problem.

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Why would most of the oxygen be gone? We are told repeatedly that the air is poisoned, but there is never any mention of lack of oxygen.

Even if there was no oxygen left in the atmosphere, the silo could create it by electrolysing water. We know there is no shortage of water, with groundwater having to be constantly pumped out. They also have underground farms so at least some oxygen will be generated by photosynthesis.

I don't see why they would need a ton of raw materials either. It's a closed economy and they have a very comprehensive system for repairing and recycling stuff. The silo could have been pre-stocked with anything that the founders anticipated might be needed. That said, there was a hint or two that some things might be running out. Judicial had to move cameras around because they no longer had enough functioning ones to cover everything. That will make it more difficult to prevent and quash future rebellions, so silo 18 is probably doomed anyway.

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From here on we're going in circles.

brux
There will always be enough oxygen [ not oxygene? ] ... that can be make from water


MarkPh
Extracting oxygene from water requires a lot of energy, generating energy requires a lot of fuel, burning that much fuel requires more oxygene than you get out of the water.

Oxygene is unstable, without a permanent resupply from plants it breaks down and disappears in a very short time.


Bartholomew
Why would most of the oxygen be gone? We are told repeatedly that the air is poisoned, but there is never any mention of lack of oxygen.

Even if there was no oxygen left in the atmosphere, the silo could create it by electrolysing water.

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>> Extracting oxygene from water requires a lot of energy, generating energy requires a lot of fuel

They don't have to burn any fuel; they have a geothermal power plant to generate electricity.

>> Oxygene is unstable, without a permanent resupply from plants it breaks down and disappears in a very short time

Not true, see https://cen.acs.org/articles/95/i29/Dioxygen-diradical-stable.html

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these people lived underground , and they have never seen any grass and sunshine (not even in books or pictures). The idea is that seeing grass and sunshine for the first time is so enrapturing that they all end up cleaning when they don’t have an intention to do so

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